Fight My Ignorance on the Israel-Palestine Debate

[Thing_Fish]

@Sevastopol

And Shodan’s learning task of today is to write a job description for ‘Prophet.’

I would like to apply for this job! As I said way back in post #9,

The first thing that your ignorance will likely be removed about is the question of whether threads asking general questions on this topic can avoid turning into flaming cesspools of innuendo and irrelevance…

I feel that I am clearly well qualified for the position, and look forward to discussing salary and benefits!

[Shodan]

Unintentional Humor Department - the Google ads are for “Telecom Jobs with the CIA” and “Get a Job as an FBI Agent”.

But sorry - the SDMB is a non-prophet organization.

Regards,
Shodan

[Sevastopol]

@tomndebb

…If you wish to claim the lies they included in their own charter regarding the French Revolution, the Masons, WWI, and other groups as anything other than a rant, that is your problem. Appealing to such false statements, to say nothing of relying on the forgery of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion as a means to lay out the way that the Jews (not Israelis) have behaved badly in the past means that Hamas in intrinsically a dishonest group. For you to pretend that any of those events had anything to do with Israel indicates that you are willing to accept the lies of Hamas and to then further their lies, yourself…

What sort of reasoning is this?

You’re ok up to Hamas is “instrinsically dishonest” although I’d be careful of throwing stones if I were you, given recent form.

But it’s plain as day the Hamas narrative about French Revolution and Masons etc is there as a prologue and history to the misconceived formation of the Israeli state. It’s a leap outside reason to then assert, as you do, that pointing out this quality in the narrative is a testament to its truth.

Anyway, at least you’ve resiled from ‘there is no evidence’ position on a number of points where the evidence is apparent. What would a person of good grace do? Instead you make numerous attempts to change the questions.

A review will help as you’re having trouble with focus:

‘The group is anti-semitic;’ and ‘The group intends a genocide in Israel:’ These are extraordinary claims. Yet, right here there is evidence they are commonly accepted without sceptical inquiry. Instead the slenderest evidence or none at all somehow suffices to move adults to voice an unwavering adherence to these positions.

Further a sceptical inquiry into those positions meets with hostility and impugned motivations. Instead the far more likely and plausible explanations that the conflict concerned has no special or rare qualities; this obvious and sensible position is not duly regarded. It’s enough to move an inquiring mind to question. Maybe the mindset is a product of an older generation.

Other parts of your post and others’ points elsewhere are matters of interpretation, on which opinion differ and are not amenable to resolution. Similarly the tone and mood of the Hamas document is a subject best fit for Cafe Society, so if you wish …