Didn’t? I thought so! NOW STOP EQUATING THE TWO! I understand that anal sex is as far as your little imagination can go with the situation of relations between two men, but then there’s really no reason for you to be thinking about that in the first place. The end (I can’t think of an ending and I’m about to leave for class).
What the fuck is the point of this rant? You might want to start bitching about something when you have time to go into more detail.
The point of the thread, obviously, is that whenever there’s a discussion about whether or not homosexuality is “wrong,” some yahoo always pipes up with the old canard about anal sex being “unnatural” because this hole is the entrance and that hole is the exit, as if that’s the most compelling “fact” in the debate. In other words, homosexuality = anal sex and anal sex = homosexuality in the mind of said yahoo.
Please let me know if you failed to understand any other blindingly obvious posts on the SDMB and would benefit from their illumination.
What exactly inspired this rant?
Here, i found one!
And i have the only copy in the world 
Well, I can’t speak for Pizzabrat, but I was considering something similar myself. It seems every time we get into a discussion of homosexuality, the people who are against it bring up anal sex, often using some pretty crude language when they do so. Yes, I know this is the Pit, but still! :rolleyes: Besides, I’ve seen it happen all too often in GD as well. It’s getting to the point where the next time someone does bring up anal sex using crude language, I swear I’m going to post, “Well, if that’s what you enjoy doing to your wife!”
Look, I’m straight as a board and most of what little I know about being gay comes from reading the Ask the Gay Guy threads, which hopefully some kind, merciful person will come along and supply a link to, and a couple of good friends. I would assume that for male homosexuals, anal is one thing they may or may not enjoy giving or receiving, just as it is for heterosexuals. I’d be willing to bet that anal sex isn’t all that common among lesbians but how common it is for either is none of my damn business!!!
I figure unless there’s a “How Do I talk My SO Into Trying _____?” thread, a person wants to become directly and personally involved in my sex life, or I want to become directly and personally involved in them (directly and personally also including giving and receiving physical pleasure while in the same room), I have no business speculating on their sex lives and especially no business doing so in a perjorative way!
Whew! That felt good!
Thank you, Pizzabrat. Have a slice on me.
CJ
It’s not even limited to those “right/wrong” debates, and sometimes the association comes up on the “good” side of those discussions, i.e.:
“I have no problems with gays. Why should I care about what hole some guy wants to stick his equipment into?”
It’s so frustrating because those sentences form a complete non sequitor, yet it actually “makes sense” to too many people.
Would’ve been nice if the OP had said THAT. Or, more to the point, had linked to a thread or news story where someone was actually making that argument.
So, pizzabrat? Who is the “you” in your rant?
Hooray for anal sex! 
Esprix
I’ve observed that straight guys in their teens and 20’s have a big fixation on getting buttfucked. I don’t think it has much to do with society’s overall acceptance level for homosexuality. Guys were pretty much this same way in ancient Greece, and they are today in prison: the issue is the supposedly dominant role of the person who’s doing the penetrating. Younger guys are a lot more concerned with being a “winner,” instead of a “loser,” and they have to view homosexuality, as well as income, cars, etc. through this lens. Most guys let go of this after a few years of penetrating women who, despite being penetrated, still exert plenty of dominance in their relationships.
This assumption of the “organ of regeneration’s unnatural insertion into the orfice of elimination” could have worked out to Oscar Wilde’s favor. The cops confiscated his bedsheets as evidence, looking for skidmarks. “There M’lord: the defendant signs the confession to his depravity in damning brown script!” (not an actual quote). It never occurred to them that Wilde preferred to rub bellies with his bedmates. But too many of them squealed so Wilde was convicted without physical evidence.
Inasmuch as the vaginal canal is also an orifice of elimination wherefrom we have all emerged, the whole dick-up-the-ass-is-unnatural argument is stupid.
Despair thy charm! And let the angel whom thou still hast serv’d tell thee, Macduff was from his mother’s womb untimely ripp’d!
so there
Good point, btw. I figure there’s lots of places where a penis, tongue, finger or even part of an extremity will fit; none of those places is less “natural” than any other.
Meh.
I don’t really see the appeal of anal sex.
I once had a girlfriend who was totally into anal sex. First of all, the bedsheets would have to be not only freshly laundered, but ironed. Then when we disrobed, our clothes would have to be folded and put away. Then there was the showering. Then the missionary position sex for precisely 12 minutes. Then showering again, then washing and ironing the bedsheets again. Then there was the log book.
Where’s the fun in that?
Rubbish. From a sex-as-reproduction point of view, the vagina is the obvious and only appropriate place to stick the (human) penis. Its naturalness is unassailable. Consequently it’s absurd to seek to demonstrate an equivalence with the anus. One activity is biologically natural, the other is an aberration. One can lead to conception, the other can’t.
From a sex-as-play-in-self-aware-primates point of view, I’m content to sit on the fence for now.
Well since I’m not having sex in order to reproduce, from a “sex-as-play-in-self-aware-primates” point of view I’m doing just fine, eh?
And anal sex is not an “aberration,” it’s as natural as any other sexual activity - it just doesn’t produce children, just like masturbation, frottage, oral sex, or any number of other perfectly natural sex acts don’t produce children.
You can also include the standard disclaimers (hardly a disclaimer, really - more like one of the most important aspects of life) about relationships - gay, straight, whatever - being about more than just sex. Let’s not forget, oh, companionship, comfort, joy, and what’s that other thing? Oh, yes - LOVE.
Esprix
If we’re going by pure numbers here, then being as straight women are the majority, being penetrated is obvious and appropraite, and being a penetrator is aberration.
Gasp! What’s that you say? It’s not a numbers issue, its the fact that you, personally, feel that if you don’t like something, it must therefore be unnatural?
Incidentally, that’s a really stupid argument to make. People of every shape, color, and orientation have anal sex. Calling all of them unnatural is No True Scotsman at it’s finest.
Perhaps you will instead tack in the direction of sex must be reproductive to be natural? If so, I really hope you don’t use any kind of birth control. What’s that? One form of nonreproductive sex is dirty and nasty and awful, while another kind, which strictly coincidentally is the kind you prefer, is natural and healthful and insures long life and good breath?
[checks the forum] I’m lying about the birth control, actually. Until you learn to think straight, I don’t want you breeding at all, or even practicing the exercises.
Look, I’ve been a little harsh here, but you frankly sound like a moron. Please demonstrate some intelligence, so I may retract my nastier comments and assumptions.
Did you say log book…lucky bastard.
It’s naturalness is unassailable but only through the sex-as-reproduction point of view. However, humans are among the few species which have sex for non-reproductive reasons and doing so is completely natural for us.
So since we can anddo have sex solely for physical pleasure or in order to promote intimacy within a relationship, and doing so is acceptable, then why would it be unacceptable (which is the logical connotation of the use of the word “unnatural” in this context) to engage in any mutually satisfactory act, regardless of which orifice (if any) the penis is placed into?
Heh! Reminds me of the time I slick-talked a guy into defining kissing as “sodomy.”
After all, any non-utile conjunction of digestive, reproductive, or eliminative organs is “sick,” right?
Trinopus
Sorry, that should have been logging book. After sex, she liked me to read to her about lumberjacks.
(And I’m OK, I sleep all… eh, forget it.)