They could be dead. They were fleeing violence.
“Most migrants traveling in the caravan tell CBS News they’re fleeing extreme poverty, but that’s not a condition for asylum or refugee status in the U.S”
Yeah, so? That headline is not relevant to this discussion. To use it, without even bothering to give a comment on it is misleading at best.
Did you even click the link, or just get it from a google glurge? The comments right below the tweet refute that it relates to whatever point you are trying to make here.
Most of that caravan did not cross the border and seek asylum.
One of the, IMHO, massive problems with our asylum system is that it only considers persecution by the state to be a valid reason(and even then, this Trump admin has been pretty spotty on that). So, a gang that is going to kill you if you don’t let them rape your daughter is generally not something that will end up getting you granted asylum.
Still gets you killed and your daughter raped, though. At least some of these people were able to get their children out of danger, even if they were sent back to it.
I was replying to YOUR comment. Most immigrants are not fleeing violence but instead are looking for better economic opportunities..
If they are fleeing violence they can apply for asylum. Immigrants are more likely to experience violence by attempting to cross the border than staying home.
If you are replying to MY comment, we are talking about these children, who were among those who came here seeking asylum from violence.
The fact that most immigrants are not fleeing violence has no bearing on those who are.
They did apply for asylum, had their children taken away, and then were sent back to the violence they fled from.
We don’t know that they applied for asylum. Do you have a source for that claim?
I will say that I am having difficulty in tracking down specifics about specific groups, as it is all just a mish mash of evil and maladministration, but here you can find that parents were in fact separated from their children when applying for asylum.
As the entire point of your comments seems to be that that you think that there is some nefarious reason as to why they cannot locate the parents of these children, could you be more specific as to what reason you have? I think that Occam’s razor is pretty useful here, in that these were people who were fleeing violence, even if it was not state sponsored, and therefore not a valid claim in the Trump administration, and were sent back to that place that they had left.
As to this “question” of yours:
So, you no longer gotta wonder why they are hard to find, if they are still alive.
This is worth a read as well, if you are actually curious as to what happened with asylum seekers and their children.
Yes, I haven’t seen anything showing that the parents applied for asylum. But the US doesn’t want them to be separated…that’s why they are trying to contact the parents so their children can be reunited. And there’s a reason we need to discourage immigrants from attempting to cross the border. It’s dangerous to put a child in that situation.
Case in point, from the lawsuit in question before it was certified for class action,
“The Court ordered the Government to take a DNA saliva sample (or swab), which confirmed that Ms. L. was the mother of S.S. Four days later, Ms. L. and S.S. were reunited after being separated for nearly five months.”
Ms. L. v. U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement, 310 F.Supp.3d 1133 (2018)
~Max
azgem has a point, we don’t know that all of the parents were fleeing violence. There are good reasons to think, at the very least, that a significant number of parents who were deported did not meet the United States’ asylum requirements (as you note, that excludes domestic or gang violence).
On the other hand we know for a fact that at least some of the parents were fleeing violence. Both Ms. L and Ms. C, original plaintiffs in the lawsuit, passed the credible fear test. We know for a fact that some families were separated after lawfully seeking asylum at a port of entry (Ms. L), and that some families were separated after illegally crossing the border (Ms. C).
I know there’s a serious problem where we deport people to El Salvador who are promptly murdered because they come from a neighborhood associated with one gang, and are deported back to a neighborhood under control by another gang. Over a hundred deportees have been killed in that country, around the same 2017-2019 timeframe, if I remember correctly.
~Max
I think that my links do indicate that at least some number of them did. How many is what is hard to pin down.
We could actually solve that with a more reasonable and fair immigration policy. That they would go through that sort of risk should really tell you how desperate they are.
Just because they did not meet our pretty ridiculous standards does not mean that they were not fleeing violence.
We are literally sending them to their deaths. And we know it.
Separation has more than one meaning.
It is my guess that 98% of the parents and 98% of the children want and need is a means to communicate between the parents and their children.
The steering committee should in the least open a means of communication between the kids and their parents.
It is the least they could do
If need be, a trust fund could be created to pay the phone bill.