because on a scale of 1 to 10 a porn star would register a million on the distraction meter. She is incapable of separating her private life from public view in this regard.
Are you saying that the students would be literally uncontrollable in this situation? That no amount of discipline could possibly restore order in her class room?
That’s a rather extraordinary claim. I don’t suppose you have anything resembling evidence to back it up?
Yes, that’s what I’m saying.
You’d say the same if she was instead a very famous former tv performer or a quarterback or something wouldn’t you?
I will never forget that one of my teachers was gay and another black, both being things that certain more bigoted of my fellow students never ceased to be assholes about. What’s your point?
In this sort of situation people come up with the most ridiculous rationalisations. Another is all those people saying that she should be fired because doing porn when that could endanger her job was stupid, so she should be sacked for doing something stupid. Right, so you think every teacher who does something stupid outside work should be sacked, do you? I don’t think so.
In the end just suck it up and say that you consider sex taboo and teachers are not allowed to do taboo things, and rationality doesn’t enter into it. Because really, trying to rationalise the irrational as many of you are doing just causes me to lose respect.
You don’t appear to be willing to wait until the classroom is actually out of control but instead insist on dismissing the teacher for something that hasn’t actually happened yet. Wasn’t there a Tom Cruise movie with this premise?
Conform behavior to the jobs’ demands is only valid if the demands themselves are reasonable. Reasonable is what’s being argued.
This seems more a case where the adults are projecting their outrage onto kids, who are considerably more adaptable. To the parents and some staffers, I’ve no doubt this would be an insurmountable distraction, always at the forefront of their minds.
The kids would get over it in about a week, unless their parents kept going on about it, because to them she’s be just another crusty old person giving out homework assignments. Anything in an adult’s past is automatically ancient history, as a lot of it happened before they were born. It would re-surface every year, as the older kids mentioned it to shock the younger class, and a week later it would be “so what?”
Maybe Robin Williams?
Did you build up enough straw for that? Nobody is saying that sex is taboo. It is a normal and natural part of life. Having sex, for money, with random strangers, on video? Not so normal.
Kids making fun of someone with a foreign accent is a matter for discipline AND education. You make it a point to teach kids that not everyone grew up within 50 miles of the school. People in other countries who learn English as a second language don’t sound like they were born here. Imagine if you had to learn French and were in Paris and people made fun of you, etc…
Same with black and/or gay…but Cum Gobbling XI? What do we tell those 14 year olds, especially the girls? That what they see on video is perfectly normal and natural? “Girls, in 4 short years, this could be you! Sign up early!”
Even among people who think prostitution and porn should be legal would be astonished if their own daughters went into that “career.”
And, on a more serious note, NOBODY has quoted the old limerick:
There once was a lady from Port Royal
Whose ethics were rather immoral
For the price of a dime
She’d take three at a time
One fore, one aft, and one oral
You tell them, “This is your teacher. It doesn’t matter what she used to do, she’s your teacher now, and when you’re in her class, you sit down, shut up, and learn how solve for X. Or else.”
There’s a lot of legal careers I’d be disappointed to see my child pursue. I don’t want my kid to grow up to be a janitor, either, but I don’t think we should ban former janitors from teaching positions.
Yeah, people who make endless sequels trying to milk a premise deserve NO respect. Keep George Lucas away from our schools!
Say what you will about Cum Gobbling XI… at least there was no Jar-Jar.
There was a nice amount of Han(d) Solo, though.
Don’t see it happening and I’m projecting that as how I would react as a teenager. kids haven’t changed that much.
How long ago was that, exactly?
70’s
In practice, I would imagine the parents are probably the ones kicking up most of the fuss.
That’s certainly one approach.
Or you could take it as an opportunity to talk about how people make choices in their lives that they sometimes come to regret, and that is why you should evaluate your decisions carefully not just for the immediate gain, but the long term outcome and how people will think of you.
You can discuss how porn portrays sex vs sex as a loving exchange.
Or you can tell them to sit down, shut up, and do their lessons. And all phones and ipads and things must be off. Anyone mouthing off gets detention or whatever the de jour is.
When I said sex is taboo I was engaging in a degree of hyperbole. A more accurate statement is that many (most, really) aspects of sex are taboo in Western society. To quote Wikipedia, the word taboo is used in the social sciences to include strong prohibitions relating to any area of human activity or custom that is sacred or forbidden based on moral judgment and religious beliefs.
You say “nobody is saying that sex is taboo”. Well, that’s not how it works. People mostly don’t *say *that they think something is taboo. Few have that degree of self awareness. They just have strong beliefs that certain things are off limits, punishable, wrong, etc without regard to rationality ie they have taboos.
Take the part of your post I just quoted. I take it you think this person’s behaviour should be subject to sanction because it is “not so normal”. There are a billion and one things a teacher could do outside of her working hours that would be “not so normal” and you wouldn’t for a moment think that this would, of itself, justify sacking someone.
You say it’s about “not so normal” but actually what drives you to consider that this lack of normality justifies sanction in this case is the taboo you hold concerning this person’s sexual behaviour.
Every single reason given in this thread - abnormality, distraction, unhealthiness, risk taking etc - becomes instantly transparent as a rationalisation once you realise that all those reasons - if they concerned other abnormal, distracting, unhealthy, risk taking behaviours by this teacher out of working hours - would barely raise an eyebrow. The real issue here is that the teacher engaged in abnormal, distracting, unhealthy, risk taking sexual behaviour, which is taboo.
Ah, great idea! Treat someone badly, then lecture the kids on how if you do the wrong thing at some point, you might later get treated badly by closed-minded bigots. They will learn of the evil and corruption of the adult world early, that way!