First it was the elderly. Then it was disabled children. Then it was Republicans...

It’s not carbon emissions, it’s Obama himself. Think about it, when does the model based on solar and volcanic activity start showing a deviation from observed temperatures? 1960s that’s when. It’s only been a ‘theory’ that greenhouse gases were the cause but the birth, growth and reproduction of Obama is the REAL cause.

Wow, nice image.

Flaming straw men, in custom tailored nazi uniforms, complete with epaulets, all dying of cancer.

Tris

Howabout Sgt. Pepper jackets?

Your user name is a synonym for “Republican”.

And the most insulting part: we’ll have Blue Cross/Blue Shield.

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The statistics are improving in the U.K.:

CancerHelp

Pffft. I don’t eat them myself, I feed them to my lion.

I ate your fnord!

A little of this, a little of that. It also admits that when prostate cancer is detected early, 98.6% of patients in the UK survive. But they don’t use the more sensitive test that’s used in the USA.

All the UK has to do to get even higher survival rates is bring in the more sensitive test. The USA can’t even do that; a great number of its citizens are underinsured.

And the UK adopting a USA-style system would not help that stat. In fact, at this point, the abandonment of public medicine might only be possible as pure Malthusian rationing due to public health care becoming “too” expensive, in which case survival rates would be going down, intentionally.

(And I understand about false positives & differing definitions; I’m making a rhetorical point. Even if their survival rates are lower, it’s an easy fix.)

Just as a by-the-by, we do have the PSA test here. If a patient wants it, they can have it. We just don’t use it routinely on all men over a certain age, as the benefits of mass screening with such a high sensitivity, low specificity test are unclear. Should the ongoing research indicate that mass screening is of benefit, it will very likely be introduced without delay.

Was the U.K.-style health care system anywhere near what it is now when it was proposed?

I doubt it.

What’s that article got to do with anything?

Edit: I mean, you did read further than the ludicrous headline, right? Right?

Are you going to link to that article in every healthcare thread? If so, can you, like, read it first?

As I read it, that article is talking about voluntary guidelines that have nothing to do with the nature of the financing of health care. Also, people are now questioning those guidelines and there will likely be changes made.

New ideas and guidelines are tried all of the time in all countries (regardless of how they finance their health care), some turn out to be good, and some end up being modified or abandoned.

Do you really believe that insurance companies, as opposed to a public program, have a greater incentive to spend more resources on these kinds of patients?

Also, you’re simply presenting that article in a vacuum without any comparison to how such cases are handled in the U.S., so it contributes nothing to the debate. Do we do better? Do we do worse? Who knows?

In any case, most people receiving end of life care in the U.S. are also on a public program, Medicare. So I’m not sure what we would gain in this debate by comparing Britain’s publicly funded end of life care to our publicly funded end of life care.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2009-08-31-mexico-health-care_N.htm The health care story has many facets. These people moved to Mexico because they could get medical help there. A lot of people go abroad to have surgery because it is so much cheaper.
We are sold the idea that our medical care is the best in the world, but that is only for the wealthy or those with great coverage. The average American struggles with health care problems.They get less coverage for more money and greater deductibles every year. We can see the direction our system is headed without an overhaul , and it is not pretty.

Socialism kills old folks. Socialism has always killed old folks. Anyone who says that socialism does not kill old folks is a socialist, and is therefore lying.

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Can I assume that this is sarcasm? If not, can you back this up?

Do you consider Medicare to be socialism? From what I can see, Medicare is extending the lives of many of its beneficiaries.

We Must Stop the Rampant Fraud in the Health Care Industry | HuffPost Latest News Then of course our medical system invites fraud. It is not built for efficiency, but to make money.

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/330/story/65010.html This is what insurance companies do. Is that a good system?