First you were a nuisance, handy. Now you're just an asshole.

handy, in this thread you made a disastrously inaccurate claim regarding cochlear implants, which KellyM and myself took pains to correct. The fact that you persisted in maintaining your erroneous views is not why I have started this Pit thread, although such willful ignorance is bad enough.

The reason is this:

To explain why that line made me so angry, let me recount for you a little of my own history.

As I wrote in the thread linked above, I was born severely-to-profoundly deaf. My mother had rubella when she was pregnant with me, and although rubella has the potential to cause a considerable number of disorders, I was relatively lucky to escape its effects save for the deafness.

I’ve worn hearing aids since I was eighteen months old. I was mainstreamed in private and public schools. In almost every school I attended, I was the only deaf student. My hearing aids made me rather conspicuous amongst my peers. There were kids that thought it great sport to call me names related to my deafness and my hearing aids. Junior high, in particular, was a living nightmare. I dreaded going to school, a place I normally loved, because it would mean enduring another round of derisive name-calling, and being made to feel like an inferior human being. Those kids who heaped abuse and contempt upon me because of my deafness apparently did not care that underneath those hearing aids was another human being, just like them, who only wanted to fit in, be a part of the crowd, feel like he belonged, feel like a human being.

Can you imagine how hard that must have been for a kid surrounded by hearing children? The only positive I can take from that wretched experience is that I grew up never calling another person derogatory names because of their impairment, disability, or handicap. It seemed cruel to me to inflict the same kind of hurt upon another person.

So when you stated that you refer to those with cochlear implants as the “FrankenDeaf”, you revealed yourself to be perfectly willing to inflict that kind of hurt on someone else. You revealed yourself to be no better than those ignorant jerks who chose to call me names rather than to get to know me. By using a name that equates those individuals with Frankenstein’s monster, you seem to be implying that these children and adults with cochlear implants are monsters themselves.

The reality is that you are the monster, handy. You are no better than or different from the twerps that made my life hell as a child.

You are a sad, pathetic excuse for a human being.

Perhaps you are not aware that handy is also deaf. Not sure if this changes your opinion, however, but perhaps it will give you a little more perspective.

I’m aware that handy is deaf. (His SDMB handle, if I recall correctly, is a reference to his use of American Sign Language.) He’s entitled to his opinion of cochlear implants, just as anyone else is.

It’s his derogatory name-calling of those deaf children and adults with cochlear implants that I find offensive and inexcusable.

Also, it’s my understanding that handy was late-deafened, i.e., his deafness occurred in his adulthood. So he never had the delightful experience of growing up as a child being mocked for his deafness.

If he had, perhaps he would have been a little more tactful and respectful of others.

Pardon my ignorance, but I should obviously assume that cochlear implants have some external part to them?

As I understand it, isn’t there some sort of apparatus that is attached to wires that are implanted? Close?

handy is an adult?

Wow.

World Eater:
Cochlear implants have an internal component and an external component. The external component is a speech processor, which picks up environmental sounds and converts it to electrical signals. The signals are conveyed to the internal component via a magnet. There are body-worn speech processors (that strongly resemble body hearing aids…I wore a body hearing aid that had wires leading up to the earmolds in my ears until I was eight years old), and there are behind-the-ear speech processors that strongly resemble behind-the-ear hearing aids. (I currently wear behind-the-ear hearing aids.)

The internal component is a magnet implanted within the temporal bone, which connects to a very thin filament that is inserted into the cochlea.

you can check out cochlear implants by visiting the Cochlear Corporation’s website. They’re not the only company making cochlear implants, but their implants are the most widely used. Their product catalog has more pictures of the various components.

[sub]This is still a Pit thread, right? Just checking.[/sub]

Atreyu, if you don’t mind me asking… did this have the effect of ever causing vertigo or nausea?

lieu: In some cases, patients may experience vertigo, tinnitus, a metallic taste in the mouth, and/or headaches after the implantation surgery is completed. These symptoms are temporary, and they typically disappear after a couple of weeks. In rare cases, persistent labyrinthitis may require medical treatment.

Complications from cochlear implantation surgery are rare. From the literature I have (not online, regrettably…) from the Cochlear Corporation, complications have been reported in 0.58% of cases. That number may have changed, since the literature I have is dated 1997.

Side note: Your question seems to indicate that you think I have a cochlear implant. I don’t…I wear behind-the-ear hearing aids.

lieu: In some cases, patients may experience vertigo, tinnitus, a metallic taste in the mouth, and/or headaches after the implantation surgery is completed. These symptoms are temporary, and they typically disappear after a couple of weeks. In rare cases, persistent labyrinthitis may require medical treatment.

Complications from cochlear implantation surgery are rare. From the literature I have (not online, regrettably…) from the Cochlear Corporation, complications have been reported in 0.58% of cases. That number may have changed, since the literature I have is dated 1997.

Side note: Your question seems to indicate that you think I have a cochlear implant. I don’t…I wear behind-the-ear hearing aids.

Well, as you probably know, Handy claims he never looks in the pit.

:: spells out s-c-h-m-u-c-k using the manual alphabet ::

I hear you, Atreyu (no pun intended). My brother is severely hearing-impaired and, growing up in the 70s, was stuck wearing a rather ugly contraption consisting of 2 earpieces wired to a box that hung around his neck. He was regularly taunted with Frankenstein insults that often sent him home in tears. The bitter irony of it all is that his hearing loss is due to nerve damage and couldn’t be remedied by traditional hearing aids.

As an adult, he has no further interest in running the gamut of doctors and exams and has learned to function quite well in a hearing world (lip reading has its benefits ;)). But he would never fault anybody for trying anything to improve the quality of their lives.

Handy, keep the insults in the playground and, for once, please do some fact checking before you post. Sheesh.

I think Handy’s being an arse, but I also think he’s harking back to when cochlear implants really were quite obviously external and they did look a little “metal bolt in the head”-ish. I hardly need to tell you, Atreyu, what leaps and bounds have occured in the field of audiology :wink:

That’s excuse at all for using the deplorable term “frankendeaf” though. It’s a term that belies the snobbery of “properly deaf” people towards hearing aid and/or cochlear implant users. I’ve seen the discrimination in the Deaf community towards hard-of-hearing people - it has its sad cliques just like any other community. And Handy obviously belongs to that group that thinks it’s okay to belittle and hurt other people and still hide behind the “but I’m deaf too!” defense.

I’m proud to be part of the Deaf community but I’m disappointed and ashamed when this kind of thoughtless hurtfulness is perpetuated.

Thanks Atreyu.

Back to the flaming

I think we should be grateful for those that chose to have cochlear implants even when they were quite unsightly. It was a necessary step in the process of creating real replacement for hearing loss. I don’t recall anyone being derogatory towards the first patients who had artifical hearts. I hope that these technologies become perfected before those I love or even myself need them. They won’t if there are no pioneers.

Atreyu, did you spend any time in a deaf school? That’s about my only experience with deafness, working at one. Some of the friendliest people I know, particularly when I sign “I sign lousey”.

I’m curious about comparison between a deaf school and being mainstreamed. I’ve encountered people who must make quite an effort to communicate with me, and some who speak as well or better than I. I pidgin signed lst week, “You see Molly and dog?” and got the verbal response, “Are you speaking of the dog who was lost? I believe you will find Molly is in the high school building.”

Anyway, I have the impression that those who can cope with mainstreaming choose to do so.
Thanks,
CP

I’ve never attended a deaf school. I went to public school for kindergarten, then attended private schools (which had smaller class sizes than their public counterparts) from grades 1 through 5. During my fifth grade year, my family relocated from Lakeland, Florida to Portland, Oregon, where I started attending public schools.

Only once was there another student in the same school wearing hearing aids, but he was a grade ahead of me, and so we were never in the same classes. I never saw him again after the eighth grade, and I never found out about what kind of hearing loss he had.

I think it’s been pretty well established that handy is a complete and total asshole.

He constantly posts inaccurate crap. He’s been called on it numerous times.

And as KellyM ever so helpfully pointed out, he’s been forbidden by the mods from posting medical info/advice.