Right. The fucking 22 year olds talked two teens into attempting an armed robbery.
Was it even a real gun? I was trying to determine in the video if the kid ever fired or just fled when the merchant opened fire?
I think everyone is well aware that people do stupid or bizarre things when under stress. That’s not the point. It isn’t just “he turned his back on him”, therefore he didn’t think he was a threat. It is “the sum of his actions and his body language show that he didn’t perceive a threat”. You keep ignoring this, and the only reason that I can think of is that you don’t have a good defense for it.
You’re incorrect in assuming I just went off of the link in the OP. I searched around quite a bit and found various portions of the NAACP’s statements, but none where they castigated the criminals. The closest I found was the statement by Reginald Mitchell:
That’s a good start, but I’d hardly call that castigation. A “mistake” is having fender-bender, not committing armed robbery.
From KOCO, I find this oddly conflicting statement:
So…one can go on record calling it an “execution-style murder”, yet also claim one won’t take sides? That’s some old-school double-talk there.
From KSBI, I find this:
Which is different than previously quoted ('executional" is not a word in my dictionaries, but oh well).
I think Franco Cevallos from the Hispanic Action Coalition gets it - he mirrors my opinions:
All places I can find full video of the NAACP’s response are behind for-pay sites, and I can’t get to Youtube from here. There doesn’t seem to be a transcript I can find on the NAACP’s website.
Of course, you could shatter my objections completely and get a retraction from me by just linking to the full transcript showing where they did castigate him.
Finally, and I do mean finally, starting posts with “you should know better than this” may be a convenient way to insult someone in GD while skirting under the Rules, but it’s also not very nice.
I noticed in the comments that a black person who was the victim of violent crime agrees with you. They were robbers and he was the intended victim who fought back. It’s not a race issue.
I think it’s likely that the store manager was aware of the possibility of continuing legal troubles with a wounded, and not dead, robber. Dead robbers don’t sue you.
That would make the final shots more cold-blooded, but on the other hand, to convict him in this situation would require that you know it was cold-blooded murder and not that he was still scared for his life, from a wounded but alive robber waking up and attacking again.
He won’t be convicted.
Did he have a weapon? If not, why did you meet him with unequal force?
Anyone want to take 10/1 that Mr Hero-Pharmacist doesn’t go a year before he gets shot dead by one of the dead kid’s friends, if he eventually gets off with this? ( Probably be a lot quicker if he gets bailed.)
Erm…knives, perhaps? Or a machete. Maybe an axe. But usually knives.
He already answered the question. But the best defense against a knife is to run like hell.
Sure, send me a PM and we can work out the details. This isn’t the wild west and anyone who would go looking for trouble with this guy also knows he is armed. One can further bet that he will be better armed after this occasion.
Criminals are cowards and prey on the weak. This guy has proven, for right or for wrong, that he has no compunction in defending himself.
Is this a serious question? Since when does defending yourself or others mean “make sure you have the same weapon”
Wait, Oklahoma calls it a “Make My Day” law? WTF is that?
Yay, I get to kill a human being and not face legal consequences!
He’s a murderer.
I didn’t say it was a race issue; I think it’s, like many things, a politically opportunistic issue.
Because you don’t like the slang term for the law?
I know you didn’t. The NAACP implied it was by getting involved and making the comments you pointed out.
Pack and a half a day. I couldn’t run away from a guy in a wheelchair :p.
But like I said, in the end it’s just that I don’t care all that much about it. If I really cared, I could get a stun gun, pepper spray, carry a knife or knuckle dusters or whatever. Even jump through hoops and get a gun license. I just don’t feel the need to. Shit happens. Sometimes you’re lucky and there’s a cop (or, in one memorable case, a band of communist skinheads) to get you out of the pickle. Sometimes you hand over the lunch money. It’s not a huge deal to me. It’s just the background noise of living in the big city.
And in the end, I guess I always felt pretty safe, even back when I had to take one of the worst subway lines every day, and even during the robberies themselves. I feel like I can trust my “gangstas” to be… well, idiots, OK, but practical idiots who don’t want to risk a murder rap for the hell of it.
From the linked article in Snowboarder Bo’s post on the first page (#16):
It’s also stated there that Ersland is a disabled war veteran and the option of flight from the robbers was not available to him.
If these facts are as stated I have no problem at all with the shooting.
No, because he shot to death an unconscious, incapacitated person who, for all that he had harmed him, no longer posed any sort of reasonable threat of further harm.
My disdain for the flippancy of the law’s nickname is separate from that.
I should have been clear that I intended two different statements by saying He’s a murderer. btw.
Yet, he was somehow magically imbued with the ability to chase down an uninjured robber who had a 30 second head start.
That’s kinda how I feel as well except a man man shot in the head trying to get up isn’t automatically a threat. When he approached the kid at such close range it seems clear he saw no weapon. Is there a problem with waiting or even trying to warn the kid. “Stay down keep your hands where I can see them?”
Since he left the store to pursue the other robber and then came back the option of flight clearly was available. I believe I would be pretty nervous about a man who possibly has a gun getting up. That probably means I’d stay behind some cover rather than walk up to point blank range. He didn’t walk out in the open when the first robber brandished a weapon. He shot from behind the counter.