Just stopping by to address this craziness in slightly more detail.
Of course farmers are generally trying to keep their cows disease-free. But if you believe that feeding cows grass is enough to keep bugs out of their milk, you don’t understand disease at all. In my state, we recently had a fairly large campylobacter outbreak. The dairy the milk came from uses grass fed cows.
It wasn’t really allergies per se that I was thinking of, it was more severe allergic reactions such as asthma that would kill someone back then before reproductive age, or frequent full body hives that might render them undesirable. I think “consumption” was actually cancer, but maybe it was also severe food allergy?
I cannot imagine that tape- or round worms keep one from have severe allergic reactions if the genes are there. When I was grooming, I had tapes a couple of times and I got rounds from a rescue litter, plus had pinworms as a child. Still have allergies. Is it that we are supposed to be carrying a parasite load all our lives? I still have 30 lbs to lose, maybe I should get tapes again…
Do you have a cite for that? It doesn’t fit with my family tree, but of course that is a very small sample.
What makes you think we don’t? I eat the things that don’t cause an allergic reaction, or that I am not intolerant of. The last year, I have also cut out a lot of sugar, almost all soda, cut way down on alcohol, etc in an effort to lose weight. I am losing the weight, but nothing else has changed.
Consumption is pulmonary tuberculosis.
Huh. I didn’t realize it had been given a specific definition.
Even more specifically, Consumption meant end-stage pulmonary tuberculosis, where the patient was wasting away from (or being consumed by) the ravages of the disease.
As for the rest of this thread, I see waay too many logical fallacies, moving of the goalposts, strawman creation, and ignoring of good, solid factual posting to make me want to add any more of my two cents.
I have Crohn’s.
I did an elimination diet where I slowly added foods back in to see if it triggered a flare up. We discovered the following foods would not bother my digestive system:
plain, white rice (not sticky rice or basmati or brown rice)
cheese (not cheddar, cream or cottage)
Things that were on the really bad list:
vegetables (especially anything raw)
fruits (especially anything raw)
meat
So, yes, I could eat nothing but white rice and cheese and not have a problem. (Scurvy would eventually be an issue since vitamin C supplementation does bad things, too.)
And even if I did this, I would not be ‘cured’ I would just not have symptoms until I ate anything remotely like food again.
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Yeah, spellcheck doesnt like homozygous`for some reason. But regardless, it wasn’t your mistake, it was curlcoat’s:
That is what you are complaining about in the other thread? Good lord. So, do you have anything useful to add to the discussion or are you just here to pick nits and be your usual asshole?
Actually, that comment came after I had a massive eyeroll when you managed to twist this topic around and get to ‘nobody I don’t approve of should have kids’. There is literally nothing that doesn’t spur you to thinking about how much you hate everyone, is there?
The ‘homogenous’ was just funny. However, it is increasingly clear that you know next to nothing about genetics, so you might want to back away from the scientific pronouncements.
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This has got to be your personal best. Which one of my posts are you twisting until it screams so it will fit your bizarre campaign of lies?
You are welcome to join in the debate on the genetics of allergies if you actually have anything intelligent to say. Given that you haven’t been right about most (if not all) things you say about me, please forgive if I don’t automatically assume you are right about your pronouncement regarding my understanding of genetics.
I have a Masters degree in genetics. I feel quite comfortable saying that I know a lot more than you do about it.
ETA: I’m not planning to continue with this hijack of the thread, anyways - really I just corrected the word because seeing it wrong repeatedly was really distracting to me. And I’ll note that I didn’t originally say anything mean about you at all, I just pointed out that Broomstick had gotten the word from you, so it probably wasn’t an autocorrect error but rather a cut-and-paste error. But you sure flew off the handle about it.
Good call, but I think the word I was after may have been “stupid.”
I said - “But nowdays we not only have these folks living to reproductive age and beyond, we also have people who don’t think twice about having children when they know they carry for a life threatening medical problem.” This is what is known as a fact - there are people out there who are so selfish that they will continue to have children either knowing ahead of time they carry of a life threatening medical problem, or more commonly after they have already produced a child with such a problem. It has zero to do with your fantasy that I think “nobody I don’t approve of should have kids”. How about if you just stay with what I actually post and quit making up stories about what you wish? think? fantasize? I said.
Again, given that you lie constantly and have contributed zero to the conversation, I really have no basis to believe that you have a Masters in anything. I, OTOH, have already admitting that I don’t know everything so if you really do know that much, you should be easily able to point out the holes in what I’ve said about genetics.
Or you could just continue to be a random asshole. All up to you! 
As already noted, “consumption” is end-stage tuberculosis. Food allergies, asthma, and hives are different entities that have been recognized since ancient times, as I noted in a previous post several pages back.
Yes. Carrying a constant and unending parasite load used to be the lot of virtually all human beings. Anthropologists and doctors working in primitive areas have long marveled that there seem to be individuals who thrive despite a gut full of parasites, apparently suffering no harm from them. It is likely these individuals who, in our modern environment, would suffer from allergies and/or various auto-immune disorders. Parasites typically suppress the immune system of the host, hosts evolve more reactive systems, and so on in an arms race. Then remove the parasite and your left with hosts that have immune systems that now overreact. That’s essentially the hygiene hypothesis.
In other words, genes that are advantageous when parasites are ubiquitous and relentless become a liability in a parasite-free environment.
There are parrallels with things like sickle-cell trait, where having it in an environment full of malaria can be an advantage and promote survival in one’s offspring (well some of them), but having it in an environment without malaria is no advantage for the carrier and highly detrimental to anyone getting a double-dose of the sickle gene.
There is no one gene for allergies. It’s a multi-gene phenomena that also interacts with the environment in unpredictable ways. Thus, siblings will not always have the same susceptibility to allergies.
Recognized of course, I was speaking of whether or not folks with those problems (not consumption) lived to reproductive age or were considered “desirable”. As a theory as to why there are more folks with severe allergies these days.
Since humans are mammals, if that hypothesis were true would it not apply to our pets as well? OTOH, the digestive systems of humans and cats/dogs are radically different, due to diet, so that could make a difference in how they react to parasite loads but there hasn’t been a steep rise in allergies in well bred dogs since worming medicine became available.
OK, no cite - I’ll look around next time I have a high speed connection.
In most cases immune problems are improved by secosteroids, like hydrocortisone. Even better and safer, though, is vitamin D, also a secosteroid.
Vitamin D is found in some fatty fish in large amounts, like herring, as well as, of course, from sunlight.
Has anyone suggested you try vitamin D supplements? Probably not. I certainly have seen my immune system problems reduced by using vitamin D.
Every time I talk about nutrition outside the boards I moderate, I’m disappointed. I mean, sometimes we have to ban trolls and crazies, but at least people there actually care about the subject, and are willing to give it the time and attention to make studying it worthwhile.
And anybody who thinks I somehow have wasted my time studying diet because I’m not doing it the way they approve of is a fool. I’ve found a diet that gives me tremendous energy, good health, better mood, and more personal confidence. I feel better, recover faster from injury, have fewer joint problems, and am stronger at age 37 than at age 23. Most of those differences are due to diet.
But hey, eat those grains, and cook the holy fucking hell out of your food. You’ll really show all the healthy eaters how wrong they are.
This is your better mood? Okie dokie, then!
ROFL yes, it actually IS.
I’ve struggled with rage most of my life. Curiously, it was most under control on a lowfat fruitarian diet. However, I also developed a lot of social anxiety, dread, and dental problems eating that way, so I had to stop.