Food Stamp /Lobster and Steak

You aparently have reading comprehension problems yourself, bucko, if you couldn’t gather from my rather clear posts that people on food stamps shoulkd not be planning extravagent dinners. Period. Healthy, nutritious food? Fine. Luxury items? Not unless they pay for them with their own money.

Really? What do you mean by this “obb toose” anyway?

One of these days you’re actually going to reply to what somebody actually says rather than making up shit and atributing it to them. On that day hell will freeze over. In any event, to clarify, all I said is that some people are poor because they are stupid. You can give money to them all day, give them all the training you want, and they will still be stupid, and still be poor. This fact just needs to be accepted. I said nothing at all about doing anything to them.

I know. The quick answer is that it’s none of their buisness. And I suspect everyone knows what the longer answer is.

I saw a news item today that said that the number of Iraqi and Afghan vets among the homeless is growing. I would assume, then, that the number of vets needing public assistance, including food stamps, is growing.

I would like to see food stamps used for healthier foods. I would like to see fewer vets on the streets and fewer jobs outsourced.

And some people are smug, self-righteous douchebags. You can talk to them, reason with them, show them the error of their ways as much as you want, and they will still be smug, they will still be self-righteous, and they will still be douchebags.

I’m sorry, this thread keeps growing faster than I can keep up, but I haven’t seen anyone post the monthly food stamp allotment.

The net household income is multiplied by 0.30 and subtracted from the maximum allotment. For a single person household, the maximum food stamp benefit is $149 per month, even if the household income is zero. That’s right, nearly five dollars a day. If anyone thinks that people on a four dollar and ninety seven cent per day food budget are causing problems by spending too much money on lobsters they are fucking idiots.

Of course, they can have all those welfare babies to supplement their benefits. Why, just by adding a dependent the benefit rises to $274 per month, except that’s only $4.57 per day each. Maybe the second child is the the one to put you over the top, but it turns out not to be the case, the third person puts the household at $4.37 per day per person.

In fact, each dependent drops the per person benefit until the benefits bottom out at eight people. Additional dependants beyond that increase the benefits by $112 per month each. I guess they figure that nine can’t live more cheaply per person than eight.

Here’s a link to the government site providing information on eligibility and benefits.

Offhand, I’m tempted to call anyone who says they have personally witnessed food stamp recipients buying lobsters a fucking liar.

Now, if someone wants to argue that food stamps subsidize the poor, and would like to cut the benefit out completely, let’s argue that, but the argument that the food stamp program allows recipients to live a profligate lifestyle is nonsense.

And I really could give a shit less where you got the money for being here, how you pay your ISP how you get enough time to post here, yahoo wherever else you all post. Thats never been the argument, the argument was about using the card/food stamps for purchases that have a cheaper alternative.

As for the argument about me noticing the card, in my neck of the woods they ask when you pass them the card what kind of card it is CC, Debit or assistance.

I realize this thread is long, but before you post an argument I suggest you read the whole thing.

I stated a means to change it, was shown that its not possible, and let it drop. Thats a simple thing, but I would rather have it in its IMHO messed up form then not at all.

Yeah, it sure does suck when a thread you started doesn’t do what you wanted it to…

My bad, forgive me for speaking up, I shouldn’t have. Forgive me?

I for one would like to see healthy foods made more accesible for impoverished people. I know that when I’m broke, it sure takes a lot out of my budget to eat healthy, but that 99 cent pack of mac n’ cheese is an easy night to get through.

I don’t know that forcing people to regulate their purchases is the right way here… but what about making certain staples available free in addition to food stamps, that way it doesn’t become an either/or option? I have no idea how this would be administered, but maybe milk, cheese, whole grain bread, veggies and fruit are fully subsidized?

It must be. Why oh why is it? [Agent Smith]Why Mister Anderson why why?[/Agent Smith]
There must be some sort of secret joke and a honking big double standard working here. Giving a basic “survival” check to people on welfare - sometimes through no fault of their own other than bad luck - is feeding blood sucking leeches out to drain us all. But, corporations that can’t manage their own business get bailouts and “keep alive” contracts. Their CEOs and executives continue to get fat paychecks.
Welfare is bad and goes against Free Market. Corporate welfare somehow is good (?) even though it is a gross violation of Free Market Darwinism.

Oh!!! I get it! Laissez faire is only good when it helps you (the corporation). Welfare is only good when it benefits you (the corporation).
Government “interference” is bad if it helps someone else, but when it helps you it is good.

I guess if you suck up a few hundred dollars a month it is bad, but if you suck up several million it is good. Steal a dollar and you’re a thief. Steal a few million and you’re a Captain Of Industry. It’s all in the amount.

Well now, since that comment was directed at one of my posts, I’ll assume that you’re talking about me. Not that I disagree with the sentiment at all, mind you, some people are smug, self righteous douche bags, but I was wondering what it is about what I have said in this thread that caused you to label me such?

Well, then, are you willing to do something for them?

That’s a good question. Where might we look to find the answer? I dunno, maybe the first post I made in this thread?

Do they at least give out literature with food stamps? Maybe some information on how to stretch your food stamp allotment to get more? Like buying stuff to make soups? Quick meals that are nutricious and cheap, yet easy to make as well?

Damn. How did I miss this thread?

I’ve only browsed over the thread, but I just wanted to say this:

LookingAround, once you pay your taxes it is no longer **your ** money. You need to understand that and get the fuck over it.

You might find this of interest. Basically, this aspect is left up to the individual states, but is strongly encouraged. What each state does vary, and can be everything from pamphlets all the way to actual nutritional training classes.

What about that expensive ass lobster you’re paying for at the White House. Does that bug you too?

A few comments/questions:

  1. Can someone clear up something for me right now? I thought the way food assistance works is that you get $X per month on food, and once it runs out, you’re out of luck until the next month. If that’s so, then what’s the problem with expensive food? What difference does it make between spending $X on sixteen meals and spending $X on one? Sure, if you think that the latter will raise crime by desperately hungry people, you MIGHT have a point, but everyone who agrees with the OP here don’t seem to be arguing that - they seem to think that the latter costs the public more IN WELFARE DOLLARS, which doesn’t make sense to me, unless I’m COMPLETELY wrong about the way the system works.

  2. In re: elucidator’s quote: to be fair, I really don’t seriously think that Bush REALLY thinks it’s great that someone has to work three jobs to get by. Seriously. And I don’t particularly like him or his policies - quite the opposite. If you’re saying that he’s insensitive and tactless, sure, I’ll agree wholeheartedly, but I do think that he “gets it.”

  3. Mac and cheese “has too many carbs”… I’m sorry, but as someone who does not believe that carbohydrates are the second coming of Satan, I just HAD to scream in agony. :smiley:

Yep, that sounds like a plan, instead of food stamps, how about free food? For everybody, right?

I want a pony. :rolleyes:

I don’t think anybody in this country should be starving to death, or lacking shelter, basic medecine, or education.

I see people making purchases of extravagant food items with food stamps all the time in this area. I see it with enough frequency that it is clear it’s not an exception.

When I was first getting started and working 70 hours a week, this pissed me off a lot to see people who weren’t working nearly as hard or making as much of an investment in themselves as I was living so much better than me. It was disheartening. It made my efforts to better my circumstances seem belittled. This was not a short period of time, either, it was basically 1985-1994. That is a lot of years to pay your dues. It was very discouraging to witness the level of affluence that could be achieved, comparatively speaking, by not working.

I find quite often that the people who strongly defend this kind of thing, an ample and comfortable safety net, are consistently blind to a simple fact:

You encourage that which you subsidize.

In constructing a safety net, there has to be some kind of recognition of that fact. The stupidity of people who fail to recognize this fact boggles my mind.

There has to be a reward for self-reliance at the lowest level that is above the safety net at the highest level. If you fail to do set your safety net in this fashion, than you are encouraging poverty and the suffering of people. Causing people to suffer is a bad and evil thing.

At the minimum level of self-reliance, you can never afford lobster. You can never afford steak, crabmeat, shrimp or luxury foods.

You have to reach a level of self-reliance that can prudently afford these things before you can afford them. That sounds simplistic, but apparently people don’t get it. Not getting this kind of thing may well often be a contributing factor towards a person’s ongoing chronic poverty.

Big bags of rice are very cheap. Big bags of mixed red beans and rice are very cheap. These are strong staples. Bulk oatmeal is perhaps the most economical food you can purchase.

I know these things because I had to figure it out in order to feed myself and accomplish the other things that were important to bettering my circumstances.

If you give people the means to buy luxuries that they cannot afford on their own you are doing a great disservice to a large population of people who are doing without in order to better their circumstances. You are demeaning their efforts and discouraging them. You are not doing the person you are giving the luxuries to any favor either. You are discouraging them from making the effort to achieve them means to earn them themselves. You are hurting society which is deprived of the contributions these people could be making. You are not teaching them how to be self-reliant. You are teaching them how to be dependant.

Any fool knows that if you don’t set up a bird feeder in the winter most of the birds will find their own food sources. If you do set up a bird feeder you must maintain or the birds that come to rely on it will die. The same rules that apply to people.

If you wish to encourage people to be productive than they need to attain the luxuries they desire through their productivity. If you just give them to them you take away the incentive, you perpetuate poverty.

Poverty has to suck. Poor people have to suffer.

In order to have a safety net that works and encourages productivity, and discourages poverty, than being on public assistance has to be worse and cause more suffering on the people at the highest level of public assistance than somebody who is working 80 hours a weak at the worst job in the country and is barely getting by.

That means it has to suck really bad, and you should suffer a lot if you are on public assistance.

No lobsters, goes without saying.
Basic stuff people. Simple logic.

This here is flat out bullshit. You yourself may not notice the difference in quality; you may not care about the difference in quality; you may be pretending there is not a difference in quality. There is a difference.

On another note, I agree that some education wouldn’t hurt, but there has to be some motivation too. My mom fed eight kids on a Navy enlisted man’s salary, and it was work for her. Twice a month she’d plan out a menu for the next pay period – right down to the bread and butter - with her nutrition books by her side, then make her shopping list from that menu. We always had food on the table, and it was always nutritious and balanced, but it wasn’t easy for her to do. It’s damn difficult to make a limited amount of money stretch, and a little understanding for those who have a harder time of it than others would not be out of place.