Football players, teams, etc. I should know

I don’t know if this is the right forum for this, please move if necessary.

I do know the basics of football, I can watch a game and mostly follow along. I don’t know the penalty stuff as well; when I would go to a football game during college, I’d usually have to wait to see how the crowd reacted when a penalty was called to see whether it was for or against my team.

What I don’t know as well, and what I would like to know better, are important football players, teams, events, and so on. It’d be nice to know this stuff better, for watercooler conversation, watching the news, and for trivia games. I’ve been somewhat studying for the Jeopardy online test, and it’s been easy to find authors, operas, rivers to learn, but I’m having a harder time finding football players to know.

I don’t know if this is too broad of a question, but if anyone could tell me what I should know, or give links to good broad overviews, that would be great. I don’t plan on ever being an expert, but I’d like to know a little more. I could also use the same for baseball, basketball, hockey, and other sports, but football is what’s going on right now and I think is the biggest sport in the US so I thought I would start with that.

I’d recommend you do reading on Wikipedia or somewhere and then ask questions after that. By just throwing it open you’re likely to get a wierd mishmash based mostly around the people who happen to respond to your thread.

College, pro, Canadian, or soccer?

A basic thing to know is the divisions and which teams are in each one. While teams want to win games in general, the real factor is having the best record in their division. So games against other teams in the same division are the most important games to win.

This page shows you the eight divisions, the four teams in each division, and the current standings in each division.

Wikipedia is good for the general rules and history. But not as much for notable people. It does have the rosters for current teams, and obviously has information about past players, but I’m definitely not going to memorize all the current players, and out of the thousands of past players, I don’t know who is important to know and who isn’t as important to know unless I was trying really hard to impress a huge football nerd.

If someone who knew very little about movies wanted to learn more, I could probably give them a good overview. I don’t have a definitive list, but I could tell them important/influential movies (Citizen Kane, The Godfather, Jaws, etc.), past big movie stars (Katharine Hepburn, Jimmy Stewart), current A-list stars (George Clooney, Angelina Jolie), actors of the moment who might talked about (Tom Hiddleston, Chris Pratt, Anna Kendrick). I could also go into directors, writers, film genres, and other movie things. My student wouldn’t become an expert from my information, they wouldn’t be able to pretend they were a film school graduate or anything, but they’d have a good basic start. That’s what I’m looking for, though I don’t know how easy it would be for me to get a general lesson like that.

Mainly pro and college.

That’s good to know. That’s a good page, I will be referring back to that as the season progresses.

The ones elected in the their first year of eligibility are quite notable. There’s just too much to go into for a casual discussion.

This NFL.com list of the top 100 active players is a good place to start. It’s a typical internet list made for fans to argue over the rankings, but if you’re just looking to get familiar with the top players, it’s pretty useful.

Thanks for the list. You’re probably right there’s too much to go into for a casual discussion, but I thought I might as well ask.

Oh, that does look useful. Thanks!

Some basic NFL franchise history might be worth noting:

The Steelers and Giants are both “original” franchises that date back to the 20s or 30s, and both have been family-owned since their creation. The Rooney family owns the Steelers, and the Mara family owns the Giants. The two families have also inter-married. The most famous offspring are the Mara sisters, Kate (from House of Cards) and Rooney (from Girl with the Dragon Tattoo.) Their mother is a Rooney, their father a Mara, and it’s pretty obvious where Rooney got her first name from.

Two new expansion teams were created in the same year in the mid 90s, the Carolina Panthers and Jacksonville Jaguars. They were both given extremely favorable expansion bonuses, as in they got to choose players to just take from the other teams at their inception. This led to both being very strong very quickly, highlighted by the fact that both teams made it to within a single game of the Superbowl in their second year. After the 90s, the Panthers have ranged from mediocre to good, while the Jaguars have become the worst team in the league.

In the early 80s, the owner of the Baltimore Colts moved his franchise without letting the fans know. He boxed up all the team’s stuff and moved it out on trucks in the middle of the night, relocating the team to become the Indianapolis Colts. (Where they remain to this day.) As you might guess, fans in Baltimore were PISSED, and many still hold a grudge.

In 1996, the owner of the Cleveland Browns moved that franchise to Baltimore, renamed the team to the Baltimore Ravens, and gave up the rights to all Cleveland Browns history. (Records, championships, etc…) Cleveland was promised a new team in the coming years, which they got in 1999. Because the Panthers and Jaguars were given “instant-contender” status at their creation via the favorable player selections, the poor Browns didn’t get anywhere near as favorable deal and have been stuck in mediocrity (at best) ever since.

Houston (Texas) used to have a franchise named the Houston Oilers. They weren’t that great, and eventually the franchise moved to Tennessee and was renamed to the Tennessee Titans. The Titans then promptly went to the Superbowl, but sadly lost. This was actually referenced in the movie Cast Away with Tom Hanks. The character is from (or near) Nashville, and is stunned to find out in his several year absence that he got a local team out of the blue, and that they went to the Superbowl.

Houston was given a new expansion team in 2002, the Houston Texans. Although the Oilers history (records, championships, etc…) was not moved to Tennessee when the franchise moved, the people of Houston didn’t much care for that history and so the Texans started fresh, from scratch. Their initial setup was better than Browns, but not as good as the Panthers and Jaguars, and have ranged from awful to pretty good since their creation. Better than the Browns, certainly, but not as good as the Panthers and Jaguars in the 90s.

Los Angeles has long been the dream for the NFL front office, who desperately wants a team there. In the 80s (into the 90s?) there were two teams in LA: the Rams and the Raiders. Both have since left LA, becoming the St Louis Rams and the Oakland Raiders. The NFL is ever eager to get someone back there, though, and current “contenders” for the forced move are the Jaguars – because they suck so hard – and the Chargers, who are good but have kind of a weak fanbase in San Diego. The NFL doesn’t care who moves there, they just want a team in LA because it’s such a huge media market. (Second only to New York City, I believe.)

The introduction of the Texans in 2002 meant that the league finally had 32 teams, so they realigned the divisions. This realignment changed the structure from six divisions to eight divisions, with four teams in each division. During this realignment they made steps toward putting teams in geographically appropriate divisions, like the Arizona Cardinals moving from the East to the West.

There have been two “great QB” drafts of note:

In 1983, John Elway was taken #1 overall by the Baltimore Colts, Jim Kelly was taken 14th by the Buffalo Bills, and Dan Marino was taken 27th by the Miami Dolphins. Elway didn’t want to play for the Colts so he held out, forcing a trade to Denver. Those three quarterbacks (plus Tony Eason, taken 14th by the New England Patriots) then appeared in 9 of the next 11 Superbowls, which is just insane. Sadly, none of those nine appearances brought home a win, and that QB class ended up with only two total Superbowl wins, both by John Elway in the late 90s. Dan Marino only appeared in one Superbowl in his second year, but is widely regarded as one of the best passers to ever play the game. Jim Kelly has the dubious distinction of going to the Superbowl four years in a row, losing every time. Nobody had more heart than those Buffalo Bills teams of the early 90s. John Elway is viewed as having the perfect retirement, leaving the game immediately after winning his second consecutive Superbowl.

In 2004, Eli Manning was taken #1 overall by the San Diego Chargers, Philip Rivers was taken 4th by the New York Giants, and Ben Roethlisberger (Big Ben) was taken 11th by the Pittsburgh Steelers. Similar to Elway in 83, Eli held out and forced a trade to the Giants. (The wheeling and dealing went on for the next three picks, resulting in the Giants drafting Rivers and then trading Rivers plus a bunch of picks to the Chargers for Eli.) Eli and Big Ben then appeared in five of the next eight Superbowls, winning four of them. (Two each.) Rivers is an excellent passer, but similar to Dan Marino it just hasn’t seemed to work out for him with championships.

The class of 83 stands alone, clearly better than the class of 04 in terms of passing stats. But the 04 class has the edge in terms of rings. Especially if Rivers can win one.

EDIT: Now that I see these two posts back to back, the move of the Colts from Baltimore to Indianapolis in 1984 probably factored in to why Elway didn’t want to be drafted by the Colts in 83.

Another one of the more famous/popular/team you’ll hear quite a bit about is the Green Bay Packers.

And as a fan I’m obligated to talk about them.

First off they’re the greatest team in football and is definitely the team to follow and anyone saying anything otherwise is just jealous :stuck_out_tongue:

They are one of the original teams as well

They are located in Green Bay Wisconsin, which is the smallest market for a professional sports team in the entire US (and maybe the world?)

Taking into account “professional football championships” they have the most of any team in the league. They don’t have the most Super Bowls (hello Steelers!) but they have the most aggragate championships

Speaking of Super Bowls, they won’ the first two (Both of which were called the NFL/AFL Championship) and the Super Bowl trophy is called the Lombadri trophy…which is named after Vince Lombardi who was the Packers coach at the time.

Way back in the day the Packers needed money, and since Green Bay is so small having the city get taxed for it would basically cripple it. So to compromise the Packers offered shares in the Packer team and sold stocks. Because of this, the Packers don’t have a team owner (just a President and GM) and they are the only publicly owned company in US major sports. So now whenever the team needs to do any renovations or anything, they just offer up a stock sale again. It’s how I became an owner :smiley:

Other quick hits: Cheese is awesome, Go Pack Go! is the cheer, Aaron > Brett > basically anyone else, Greg Jennings is a hater, the G stands for greatness, The Bears suck but are cool in the end, fuck the Vikings, the Lions are just kinda there

The current NFL is the product of a merger of the original NFL and the American Football League in the early 70’s. The NFL at the time had 16 teams. The AFL started with 8, and later expanded to 10. The Super Bowl began as the “NFL/AFL Championship Game” in 1967, and nobody really cared. The AFL had just started in 1960, and no-one gave them much of a chance to win anything. That changed in on Jan.12, 1969, when the New York Jets beat the Baltimore Colts in what is considered one of the biggest upsets in US sports history. Joe Namath, QB of the Jets famously predicted the victory, and everyone gave him hell for it. When the Jets won, he was elevated to demi-god status. He has lived off of that fame to this day, even though he has embarrassed himself in recent years. (I say all of this as a Jets fan.)

When the merger went through, 3 teams from the NFL (Steelers, Colts, Browns) moved over to the AFL, which became the AFC. The lineup of the two conferences remained the same, with the occasional expansion, until the entire league was re-aligned from 6 to 8 divisions. Seattle was moved to the NFC to even out the creation of two new teams in the AFC(the “New” Browns and Texans referenced above).

I should have added that when you watch games today, you will hear most stats as either “All-Time”, or “Post-Merger”, since the merger was a watershed event in NFL popularity.

Nitpick: the correct terms are Super Bowl, and Super Bowls (and yes, in mixed case); not Superbowl / Superbowls.

Sam Lowry, if you’re ever up in eastern Ohio, the Pro Football Hall of Fame is there and worth a visit.

ETA: it’s in Canton, Ohio.

You might want to start following the local favorite college or pro team, says the guy who lived a large part of his life in Columbus, OH.

To expand on this a bit:

When The League expands, there is an “Expansion Draft.” Each existing team submits a certain number of players to the draft pool (in 1995’s case, 6 players each). The new teams are required to select a minimum number of players from this pool (there’s also a maximum number they can choose). When a player is selected, his former team is allowed to “take back” a player from the pool.

The new team(s) are also given the first pick(s) in the next college draft.

There have been 8 such expansion drafts in the history of The League (1960 - Cowboys; 1961 - Vikings; 1966 - Falcons; 1967 - Saints; 1976 - Seahawks and Buccaneers; 1995 - Panthers and Jaguars; 1999 - Browns; 2002 - Texans)

Typically the existing franchises use these drafts to get rid of poor players, young and inexperienced players, injury prone players, or older, declining veteran players, resulting in the expansion teams being terrible, but in the salary cap era (instituted in 1994) the expansion drafts have provided an opportunity for teams to also unload players they overpaid. I believe this is what resulted in so many quality players being available to the Panthers and Jaguars, the salary cap being so new at the time. This was particularly relevant to the Texans, who ended up drafting 4 (highly paid) Pro Bowl players that their former teams wanted to get off their books (granted, the Texans were still terrible; it took them 10 years to make the playoffs for the first time).

Wow, thank you everyone! That’s all really interesting, and definitely more than I knew before.

Since Sam’s profile indicates he’s in Houston…

A large percentage of the watercooler chatter he hears is likely to revolve around the major college football programs in Texas: the U.T. Longhorns, the Texas A & M Aggies, the Baylor Bears, the TCU Horned Frogs and the Texas Tech Red Raiders.

Even though there are two NFL teams in Texas, I suspect that if you bone up a little on the Big 12 conference and a little on the Aggies, you’ll have a better chance of holding your own when a co-worker asks, “You see that game on Saturday?” There are far fewer die-hard Texans fans in Houston than there are passionate Longhorns and Aggies.

The Rice Owls?