For metro-NYC Dopers: How did you like Giuliani pre 9-11?

What was this about? If you were to ask me and most people to give “20 keywords” (possibly “10 keywords”) they associate with NYC this would be on the list as I always think of it being the taxi capitol of the world.

http://www.hinduonnet.com/fline/fl1512/15120550.htm

http://www.workers.org/ww/1998/taxi0618.php

Sorry that both of these links are skewed (everything else about the strikes is a pay article), but you can see how powerless people felt.

Rudy Giuliani speaks out on ferrets.

Anyone actually considering this man for president needs to listen to this and wonder if this man should lead the U.S.

He belongs in MPSIMS, he’s a cat person.

It is still very low. But you should know that the way the union contracts are written, it is virturally impossible to not get overtime pay every week you work.

I have always had mixed feelings about Rudy. Basically he will not suprise you. He is, pretty much, up front about himself. That is a quality that is lacking in most politicians. However, he is a monstrous jerk. If he were President when the ‘Abu Grave’ scandal hit, he would have been defending the Guard units and the general in charge of the prision would have gotten another star.

But if you know Rudy, that is exactly what you would expect him to do.

Don’t forget backing the troops despite any facts that may arise, blaming the media, and releasing the juvenile records of those photographed.

As a friend of mine said, “Giuliani thinks he’s Batman, he became obsessed with saving Gotham, and then as he got older he starting going batshit crazy.”

Yes, by all means, choose your next president based on his opinions about ferrets.

While Rudy’s opinion on ferrets won’t put him on any of my invite lists, my disdain for him is less about his opinion on ferrets and more on his approach to the issue. The way he insults and belittles the caller was beyond the pale. It was just another example of how Giuliani treated anyone who didn’t agree with him. Giuliani takes a stance on a position - in this case it was a woefully misinformed stance - and not only did he refuse to listen to any counter, he strong-armed the housing commission into passing the amendment (it was not a law and didn’t have to go through City Council), and when the City Council brought up a bill to overturn the ban, he blasted them - telling them never again to put this in front of him (power he did not have). That attitude (which he also displayed on education issues) and his method of attacking the victims of police brutality are what have made me decided not to ever again vote for Giuliani in any capacity - not his views on ferrets. Well, maybe his views on ferrets, too, but if Obama or McCain come out as not liking ferrets, I probably won’t hold it against them as much.

He doesn’t have to like ferrets. It’s the fact that he’s an asshole about it.

Though, I do find that there is something deeply wrong with a man who has such a strong opinion against ferrets.

At that time nearly every city in America was in a crime drop. How do you suppose he made it drop everywhere.

Yeah, but you have to clean up after yourself when you’re done.

I thought it was common knowledge but I guessed not-

A ferret killed his pa.

Exactly. The crime drop was experienced all over the US, and it was Dinkins who initiated the tactics credited for lowering violent crime in NYC. Either way, Rudy shouldn’t get credit for that.

I honestly think having another president who is stubborn and intractable is completely unacceptable. He has done some things I agree with, but I would hate for the leader of the free world to be someone who has permanent blinders on.

No, but you might want to consider whether you want a president who makes laws telling you what kind of pet you can own.

Yes, that is a very good criterion for choosing a president.

Walloon, I can’t tell if you’re being serious or ironic. But if it’s irony and you’re actually saying that Giuliani’s ferret law is a trivial issue, then you should consider what it really is. It’s an example of how Guiliani will use the power of his elected office to enforce his personal opinions on the public. He’s demonstrated that he doesn’t believe in limitations when it comes to government power. He feels that the government (as embodied by him) has the duty to impose what is right. He doesn’t want to hear dissent that an issue is trivial or that some people may disagree over what’s right or that the constitution or the courts or civil rights prohibit something or that the police went too far in enforcing the law.

Liberals can worry that in the aftermath of 9-11, President Guiliani might have arrested every Muslim in the country. Conservatives can worry that in the aftermath of the Virginia Tech shootings, President Guiliani might have confiscated every gun in the country. Libertarians can worry - well actually Libertarians are probably already worried about a Guiliani presidency.

Technically, no law was passed. The NYC Board of Health put out a list of banned animals under the guise that, according to previous rules, “dangerous wild animals naturally inclined to do harm” ferrets were already prohibited (never mind that ferrets were domesticated, and while cats and dogs were also banned, exceptions were put in place for domesticated cats and dogs). Mind you, the Board of Health are all mayoral appointees, so it was pretty obvious who was leading the charge.

Mayor Giuliani really overstepped his bounds when he told the City Council, who had voted to overturn the ban, not to ever bring the matter before him again, while vetoing the bill. Since when can the Executive Branch tell the Legislative Branch what bills can and cannot be sent for signing into law?

While it is a pet issue for me, much larger was the way he handled the whole affair. Because I was motivated on this issue, I paid much closer attention, and saw up close that others’ complaints of his leadership style were valid and not terribly, if at all, overstated.

I am someone born in the city but I grew up only visiting it a lot. I loved Rudy. The city was a nightmare to visit before Rudy. Run down, dirty, depressed, dangerous, random shooting, cars being stripped immediately if you broke down on the highways, aggressive bums and “Squeegee Guys”. I was afraid to take my Niece and Nephew to the Yankee games and it was even difficult to get to the Bronx Zoo. Cars double and triple parked. Everything was covered in graffiti and smelled like piss. The subway cars were the worst.

During the Rudy years, the city cleaned up great for visitors at least. I know many residents were not as happy, but the Dinkins years and Beam years were nightmarish, the Koch years were at least a little better. Rudy on the other hand was great for the city.

Jim

The clean up began before Rudy. He continued the programs. Really, the city had a tough time shaking off the terrible depression of the 70’s. (you know, the Welcome Back Kotter period) The 80’s stockmarket boom set the city on the right path but it was a long slow recovery.

Rudy, suggested, that he be allowed to stay mayor for longer than his term so that he could be the one to deal with extended 9/11 issues. He suggested that the city charter be ignored, that the election results be ignored, so that he could keep power.

When a controversial art exhibit opened at the Brooklyn Museum of Art, he tried to get it shut down. When freedom of speech prevailed, the MTA suddenly announced major track work at the stations servicing the museum so limited or no subway service.

He is pretty much a dick.