Oh my goodness, she really must be forked! Bob isn’t Eeyoring doom and gloom!
Yeah, and Edwards did too. So did Mitt. SOP.
thanks for noticin’ me.
Good job Bob. Keep up the good spirits.
a) Obama meets his Arthur Bremer
b) Obama is literally caught in bed with, say, Rev. Wright
That’s it.
I can’t blame Sen. Clinton for formally staying in the race - you never know if lightning may strike. But there in nothing to be gained by continuing to fight tooth and claw for a nomination that is, by the numbers, beyond her grasp. In doing so she makes herself look bad. And she may not be doing the Democratic Party much good vis-a-vis the November election, which is what really matters. Does she really want the presidency to go to Sen. McCain if she can’t get it herself?
I suppose the deal is that she has wanted this for so long, and so much, that she just can’t feel the tines of the fork poking her. Or she’s been in the oven so long her brain is fried.
Twice this past week she has (again) spouted the “Committed Delegates aren’t really committed” nonsense. I don’t think she is capable of quitting.
Actually, Senator, Florida and Michigan are resolved: they went with an early primary against party rules, and they suffered the stated penalty. That’s a resolution.
Sure, it’s far from the best possible resolution, and it’s not one that anyone should be particularly happy with. But the only sense in which it isn’t resolved is that you don’t like the resolution.
If you say you’re doing this for Michigan and Florida, well, that’s bullshit. As soon as you concede, getting MI and FL delegations seated at the convention will be a piece of cake.
But now, you know what? Real Democrats don’t want a nominee that’s going to cozy up to Richard Mellon Scaife, whose husband’s legitimized Rush Limbaugh by going on his show, who distributes the hatemongering of the American Spectator that spent most of the 1990s trying to destroy you and your husband. If you’re so desperate to win the Democratic nomination that you’re willing to cozy up to the very people that have fought, tooth and nail, everything that Democrats stand for, then get the fuck out of the way. We don’t want you.
Here’s one thing Hilary supporters can get behind Obama on.
He’s definitely a better man than me. I mean, besides his having balls and all.
Well Huckabee at least had an excuse … he majored in miracles, not math. But don’t poli sci majors have to take at least a semester of math classes?
Hillary has an excuse too- shell shock from her Bosnian trip.
We’re gonna need a bigger fork.
Lemme get my manure fork and see if that’ll work.
Obama’s now up 52-42 in the Gallup tracker, and 47-42 in the Rasmussen tracker.
Via Josh Marshall, the makeup of the Credentials Committee at the Dem convention, according to Dem bigfoot Donna Brazile:
That’s the committee that would decide any contest over who should be seated from FL and MI.
I’m not sure what counts as a ‘state,’ but if it’s just the 50 states and DC, minus FL and MI, then so far, if I’m counting correctly, Obama’s won 28 states, Hillary’s won 11, and two are tied, with eight to go. If they cast their nets somewhat wider, Obama’s won the USVI, Clinton’s won American Samoa (guess Duke couldn’t deliver it to Obama!), and Obama is ahead amongst Dems Abroad, with Guam and Puerto Rico still ahead.
So if the state delegations choose their three delegates by majority rule, Obama only needs to win NC and maybe one other state/territory to control the credentials committee, even in the unlikely event that Dean’s 25 members are completely in the tank for Hillary.
Actually, according to one just-barely-plausible formulation, yes, that could be part of it. See, if Obama wins the nomination and then the election, and barring unforeseen calamity, he’ll be the incumbent looking for re-election in 2012. The earliest Clinton could run again, therefore, is 2016, when she’ll be 68 years old. On the other hand, if Obama gets the nomination but loses the general to McCain, Clinton could take another shot in 2012. Thus, it’s in her personal interest to see Obama lose in the general.
I don’t know if I’m cynical enough to believe this is part of her calculus, and that she’d be ambitious (and/or bitter) enough to actively torpedo Obama’s campaign. Nevertheless, the reality is, if you think Obama will have a serious shot at the White House if nominated, then either Clinton gets the nomination this time or she never does.
Good enough. Thanks. There are a number of others here who ought to consider the effects of their own behavior on the credibility of the Obama candidacy as well.
To the rest of you yammering about how there’s no possible way Clinton can win, you do know, I trust, that the nomination will be decided by the superdelegates, right? And that they will have their own reasons and their own calculations for making that decision, right? I’m not the only one who has pointed that out here, by far, right? That their public statements of support are no more than that, and can change to reflect changing political reality, right? And that political reality can change significantly and instantaneously, right?
We don’t know what other skeletons will pop out of the closet in the next few months, or what other statements will be made, that will affect the supers’ decision, right? We do know that there isn’t anything left to find out about Clinton at least, right? We do know that the disenfranchisement of the voters of Florida and Michigan will continue to rankle there, no matter how many of you want to dismiss the problem, right? The supers’ being political animals, that will have to figure in their calculations, right? As I’ve already stated, it is just silly to assert flatly that they can’t or won’t do a particular thing, right?
The rest follows. Now, in the sage words of RedFury, “cut the crap!” Sheesh. :rolleyes:
You dismissed that very problem not long ago.
I’m still curious as to what changed your mind.
You really do need to represent statements you dislike more responsibly than that, HW, if you’re actually serious about this Great Debating stuff. But that has been a critical issue throughout this discussion, and not only for you, of course.
The earlier discussion, as you either know or should know, was within the context of the primaries themselves. No candidate’s supporters were disenfranchised within that context. The disenfranchisement has been with the DNC having to follow through with its bluff and refuse to allow those delegates to be seated, a course of action made necessary by the refusal of one of the 2 remaining candidates to engage in constructive leadership to clear up the matter. But then you know or should know that, too.
I’ve made *that * plain a number of times here as well, too - and with no more notice by you or your fellow haters than *this * time is likely to have, either.
Ditto Clinton’s supporters in this thread and the cred of the Clinton candidacy, in the unlikely event that this point has any validity whatsoever. (I believe it doesn’t, and the equivalence holds vacuously. But it holds either way.)
IOW, that’s what the Hillary camp is hanging its hopes on: the distant hope of some piece of bad news that destroys Obama politically.
If you want to defend her chances by comparing Team Hillary with a flock of vultures hoping for roadkill, be my guest.
I think we pretty much disproved that over the past few weeks. Does Bosnia and sniper fire ring any bells?
If anyone’s keeping that alive, it’s Hillary. She’s claiming that bruise on your shin is because Obama kicked you, and she daily taps it with a mallet just to check on its condition.
I will assert flatly that they won’t do anything that makes it look to a significant percentage of blacks that the party organization is stealing the nomination from a black man.
Like you say, they’re political animals.
You’re no good at taking the high ground. Best to avoid it.
Yep. And you were wrong there. Not only that, but you were, at least as I remember it, arguing against the revote saying that the delegates would be seated when the candidate was decided.
Bolding mine. You had no problem with the delegates being seated after the race was over. Last I checked, the candidate hasn’t been decided yet. What’s your hurry?
What bluff? Seems pretty clear at this point that there was no bluff.
Politico has a story about Hillary the deadbeat. Apparently her campaign’s keeping its head above water by stiffing a whole bunch of small businesses in earlier primary states:
Apparently practically all of Hillary’s cash-on-hand is money contributed to the fall campaign. At the end of February, she had only $1M to spend on the primaries, and $8.7 million in unpaid bills. And while more than half of that was owed to people like Mark Penn, a great deal of it was owed to small businesses and individuals.
There you go. Hillary needs to drop out to save the economy.