Whats Hillarys SD lead down to now?
Most sources put it at 21.
Obama 234 Clinton 256 so 21. Cnn 28/4/08
That’s actually a difference of 22. 
Democratic Convention Watch has them at Obama 236 (including Bingaman), Clinton 257, also making the difference 21.
Even a stone can be worn away by the constant drip of water.
Very wise Sage Freddy 
22 it is! 
The 2,024 number already has the MI and FL delegates removed. If those delegates are included, then the winning number is 2,208.
Like I said, I gave no value judgments. The mean figure does not include Mich, and it has Obama running such a teensy bit ahead of Hillary that I called it a "virtual tie:. Read the figures. The popular vote without Mich has “Popular Vote (w/FL) 14,994,905 48.3% 14,788,379 47.6% Obama +206,526 +0.7%” which* is* a virtual tie.
But anyway- did not Obama choose to remove his name from the Mich. ballot? So thereby the vote figures from there are a direct result of his choice. “Do not the Obama-ites say that Fla & Mich Choose to move their Primaries, thus they must live with that Choice? Thereby, by that logic (and it’s not very good logic, but still, it’s their logic ) then Obama Choose to remove his name from the MI ballot thus he must live with that Choice.”
Each of the 6 figures has it’s own validity. I claim none as perfect. And there can be no “one true right” popular vote. *Of course *Hil wants to count Mi and of course Obama wants to count the caucus states.
No, it isn’t any kind of tie at all. At tie would be 14,788,379 to 14,788,379. There’s nothing tied, “virtual” or otherwise, about a difference of 206,526 votes. It’s a lead, plain and simple.
I stopped paying attention to you right here. Knock it off with the rude name-calling already. I’m not an “Obama-ite” an “Obamaniac” or any other bastardization of his name you want to make up to denigrate me for supporting him.
Well dammit, that was me, not my husband (rassum frassum login grumble)
Repeating yourself doesn’t make it any truer.
Also wrong. You claim to have taken the average of six numbers, two of which include MI. So the mean of those six does not “not include” MI.
I think you mean the median, not the mean. At any rate, that isn’t the median, either.
And even if it were, so what? Just because someone put up a bunch of numbers, doesn’t impart magical properties to the mean or the median. And that’s what you’re relying on here - the magic of being able to cite RCP.
Been there, done that. What you’re saying is that you’re not messing around with the popular vote totals in order to discern the truth of who Democratic primary voters prefer; you’re just coming up with a new and different scoring system to reward and punish the candidates as you see fit.
That’s nice, but why should anyone else give a flip what your scoring system says?
Very often, even when you can’t pinpoint perfection, you can identify stuff that’s clearly way in the opposite direction. I can’t design for you the perfect airplane, but if I build something in the backyard that has the general shape of an airplane, it’ll be way, way in the other direction from perfect.
If your goal is to try to discern the truth about Dem primary voter preferences between the two remaining candidates, the Michigan primary is like that thing in the backyard.
It appears that Roger Waters is also an Obama fan.
Your logic is bizarre.
Of course Hillary cannot count Michigan because that would be AGAINST THE RULES that she agreed to at the beginning of the contest.
Of course Obama can count the caucus states, because the voting there was done ACCORDING TO THE RULES.
Do rules mean nothing to you? Are you really that deluded?
sorry, forgot I was in GD. Strike that last part, and substitute:
These rules are important. They are how the contest is run.
Ah, there we go, using the wrong number. Got it.
KY Congressman Chandler To Endorse Obama
This is really great news for Obama, especially after NC Goveronor Easley endorsed Clinton today. Easley doesn’t have the clout in NC that Rendell had in PA, and with the dozens of endorsements Obama’s gotten from that state already, hopefully it won’t hurt him that much, if at all. He had over 18,000 people at his rally in Chapel Hill yesterday, and his ground team has been getting people to the polls for early voting all week, hoping to have an insurmountable lead before primary day even hits (which so far seems to be working).
Chandler, however, could seriously boost Obama in Kentucky, where Clinton currently is leading him in the polls by a fairly wide margin.
And another one jumps on the bandwagon. . . Iowa superdelegate to endorse Obama
Does this put us 20 off the SD lead now, or did Clinton pick up more as well?