Former debate-team Dopers: Opinion requested

My daughter has the chance to take a “debate class” at her school, and I wanted to know from Dopers who had been on debate teams in high school what their experience was.

  • Was it useful?
  • Interesting? Boring?
  • Was there any social downside/upside to being on the debate team?
  • Would you recommend it to others?

FWIW, my daughter loves to argue/debate with me about just about everything (from the origin of the universe to why she should be allowed to have a sleepover). Does this make any difference to how much she’ll like debate class?

As I understand it, there are formal rules of debate, and you will sometimes be requested to defend positions that you do not hold. For people who defend their own positions passionately, is having to defend contrary opinions a huge downside?

Never been, but I thought I’d post two wonderful Wikipedia links that she might want to ingest:

Debating is a fantastic experience. I know nothing about social upsides and downsides in the US, so my comments are more generic.

You…
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[li]learn to be objective.[/li][li]learn to think on your feet.[/li][li]organise your thoughts much better. [/li][li]learn how to research a topic. [/li][li]learn strategies to communicate effectively and in an interesting manner.[/li][li]become more comfortable with public speaking.[/li][li]figure out how to call another person a ‘stupid mouthbreathing dolt’ in a polite and civil manner.[/li][/ul]

Oh yes, and big name corporates LOVE seeing ‘varsity debate’ on college grad resumes in my part of the world.

I did debating as an extra-curricular activity through high school. I would definitely recommend it, particularly if she already enjoys arguing her point.

Was it useful? For me, yes. I’m doing a law degree at the moment, and I would go as far to say that the skills practised in debating are more useful to my current studies than high school English was. Not just the public speaking aspect, although I’m sure that will come in handy later in the degree, but the process of looking at facts, discussing opposing views and coming to a convincing conclusion. In law as in debating, it’s crucial to see and understand two sides to an issue, if only to more thoroughly discredit one side.

Was it interesting or boring? Well, obviously I found it interesting, but it did sometimes depend. In earlier years of high school our whole English class would divide into teams and debate something in a standard format debate, which could be interesting or boring depending on the topics, speakers and general enthusiasm of the class. In later years of high school I did ‘inter-school’ debating, which was a lot more interesting. We did different types of debates like Point of Information (where you can interrupt the other team to ask them questions), Cross Examination (pretty self-explanatory) and Short Prep (where a ‘secret’ topic only available to teams an hour or so before the debate started). Debate topics also got more vague in later years - instead of stuff like ‘Whaling Should Be Banned’ (one of the more boring ones I can remember) you’d get things like ‘It’s The End of The World As We Know It’ (an example of a weird topic that went really well) or ‘The Heart of The Problem is a Problem of the Heart’ (wtf… this was a failure). You didn’t mention what age your daughter was, but if she likes argument and discussion she should in general find it interesting. If she is younger, a lot will depend on the teacher - in later years teams obviously have more independence.

For me it was a socially positive experience. My good friends were on my debating team and there were friendly rivalries between us and the other ‘debaters’ in our year. We’d sometimes all be allowed to skip English class to work on our debates if we had an inter-school event that evening (our English teacher was also involved in debating, so she didn’t care) and I have many fond memories of sitting around shooting the shit and flirting and teasing and arguing pointless random things with the other debaters. Perhaps I’m biased because my good friends were involved, but I would suggest that the kids who do this sort of extra-curricular activity might tend toward being more extroverted and intellectually open. There were a few ‘oddballs’ among us but even the weirdos were entertaining. On the other hand I know people from other schools who were pompous, overly serious and would work their political opinions into every debate. If you hung out with these type of people a lot, it might not be so socially beneficial.

Yes, sometimes you have to argue positions that you don’t agree with, but I think it’s a good mind exercise to do this sometimes. I’m not sure how her class works, but at my school (I’m in Australia, FWIW) the older debating students would also learn how to adjudicate the younger class debates, which is a good exercise in itself.

When you consider the public speaking, team camaradie, exposure to topic issues that might not be covered in the regular curriculum and skills of developing a logical argument that are involved in debating, it seems like a really worthwhile class to take part in. Of course she might hate it, but based on my experiences I’d recommend at least giving it a try. Many of my fonder memories of high school come from being involved with debating.

It worked for me.

At base, it allows confidence to speak in public. This is a huge asset. So many otherwise talented people are blighted by this dread, so being weaned off it cannot but be a boon.

Second, it is a very intense social experience. It is a real rush to prepare a speech with colleagues, wing the stuff you can’t prepare, and have a sense of achievement about it all. It’s a bit like theatre in that respect.

Third, it instills discipline and focus in debate and argument. Too many “debates” or arguments in everyday life are derailed by irrelevancies and emotional appeals that are drilled out of debaters. And that can’t help but be a good thing in life in general.

The last of the points I wanted to make was that it nurtures clarity of thought and organisation of thought, yet it allows space for the creative expression or presentation of ideas.

Your daughter will either love it or not. But it is well worth a go for the sake of the life skills which she will acquire.