Okay Mats, I just have to ask. Were you raped by a Fosters can as a young child or something? The way you go on and on about it, one would think you have a personal vendetta against the Fosters people. I mean, really man. This is thread number 3 where you felt the need to go on and on about the evils of Fosters. Move on for Gods sake, and just don’t drink the stuff. While I agree that Foster’s certainly isnt a good beer, it is not the swill you seem to want to tell the world it is. And tell me how in the world you can denounce Foster’s and then claim Miller as your favorite American beer? Do you HAVE tastebuds?
Yeah, it’s true, a Foster’s can raped me as a child. With its… umm… ring-pull?
By the way, this one wasn’t supposed to be a new thread, I was replying to don’t ask in the “worst-beers” thread, and accidently clicked New Thread.
Yeah Miller’s is my fave AMERICAN beer. Doesn’t mean it’s good. 
I like Miller High Life for one reason. I can scrape together money for a six pack by picking the change from my couch cushions. Ditto Pabst.
How much American beer have you actually tried? Just the mass-marketed sludge like Miller, Bud, Genny? Taking that as a representative sample of American beer is just as ludicrous as those of us on the other side of the pond thinking Foster’s is the be all and end all of Australian beer. There is a wide variety of beer in America. Try some Ubu Ale, for God’s sake man!
I’m sick of people knocking “American beer” and I am usually forced to agree with a good portion of the criticism of the U.S. Our beer, however, is not a shortcoming.
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Same goes for Australian beer. The likes of Fosters, Bud, and Miller have given our two nations a very second rate reputation for beer. Think of good beer, and most people will mention Belgium, The Netherlands, etc. But Australia has some really outstanding beers; you just gotta hunt for them. I’ve not tried many US ones, but I’m sure the same applies there.
Oops, screwed up the quotes in my last post. Sorry, Matts K, I turned you into a Yank for a minute there. We couldn’t have that, could we? The quote should correctly be attributed to Tzel. Apologies to you both.
RE: my last post about American beer not being any good, I WAS JOKING! Yes, it’s true that I have only tried the American “boutique” beers, but I live in Australia, can you blame me? It’s not like I’ve got an abundance of American beer here to try out. Just about every country has outstanding beers, you just have to dig around to find some of them.
Eh, I kinda like Fosters. I’ve pick up a can every now and then when the mood hits me, though I’ve never bought more than a single can at a time.
Precisely! In the same vein: Heineken Export. Yes, the green bottles. It’s pure and utter crap, relatively speaking. Not that the domestic pilsner is a stellar one to begin with: an average beer at best. I can name twenty Dutch pilsners that are WAY better than Heineken. Yet, Heineken export sells like it’s going out of style, all over the world. It’s made the Heineken Brewing Group the second largest on the planet! And for what? For its image (read: Ooh, Heineken! Classy. That stuff is European, man!), and mediocre quality (read: sure, you’ll have a Heineken on a hot day. It’s a beer, and not even a bad one, right?).
Even Grolsch, whose domestic pilsner is among my absolute favourites, produces an awful green-bottled export variety. UGH.
And I’d like to second the notion that the US does produce some fine beers. It’s just the bigger ones that are mediocre at best - a thing most beer lovers will agree upon, American or not. You’ll see kids in London clubs downing bottles of Budweiser like no tomorrow. Why? For the same reason New York Yuppies embraced Heineken in the 80’s, I suppose. It’s from afar, so it has to be good, right?
Pete’s Wicked Ale. Hot damn, that’s good stuff.
Also: Celis White. An Austin, Texas brewer that somehow got his hands on the OLD Hoegaarden recipe. The result? A white beer that’ll knock your socks off, and is acutally better than many of its Belgian and German counterparts.
(I do think there are better white beers than Celis. BTW. But it’s a stunning performance nonetheless).
Fosters, Australian for “piss.”
::d&r::
Coldfire, have you ever tried Celis Grand Cru (green label)? Now THAT stuff is mannah from heaven! Celis White is decent, but Grand Cru convincingly trounces White in any head-to-head ( 
) comparison.
Dude! They make Grand Cru too?
I’ve had the Hoegaarden Grand Cru, which is lovely. If Celis can improve that as much as they could the White beer, I’m all for it!
Thanks for the tip, I’ll be sure to ask my local liquor gurus.
Celis, IIRC, brews at least 3 varieties – White, Grand Cru, and a red-label Pale Bock (also terrific). I’m fairly certain they brew a few more varieties. Unfortunately, I haven’t had the chance to drink any Celis in the last 5 years. Celis beers are no longer sold where I live.
I don’t get out to Texas often, but next time I do, I’ve gotta get me some Grand Cru!
Coldfire, do you also like weizens? Spaten Fransizkaner, maybe? Or Hacker-Pschorr?
That’s it…we need to set up some sort of beer exchange program. Can we send beer through the mail legally? I would be more than willing to share some fine American microbrews for some Australian beer along the same line…is anyone game? Again…is there a legal problem with this? Who do we need to bribe?
Up front: I know little about beer, except that I don’t like it! To me, cheapo American beers and fancy foreign beers ALL taste like swill.
Just thought I’d break the bad news: IF you like Celis beer, stock up on it now, because there won’t be ANY available, pretty soon. Pierre Celis, the Belgian brewer who set up shop here in Austin TX, sold his operation to Miller some time ago. Big mistake, as it turned out. Miller had NO idea how to market Celis beers, and eventually decided to stop producing them entirely.
Celis was disappointed, but told the press “I’m 75 years old, and I’m not going to try to rebuild a business like this at my age.”
So, the Austin Celis brewery isn’t making any more beer. Meaning that, if you DO like Celis beers, and you see them on your supermarket shelves, buy them up FAST! Once the shelves are emptied, that’s it, and there won’t be any more.
First of all, Celis and other “white beers” ARE Weizens. Maybe I’m preaching to the choir when it comes to you, but a lot of people don’t know this. The German word Weizen, meaning “wheat”, is wrongly translated to “White” in many languages (including but not limited to French, English and Dutch). So we’re really drinking wheat beer, not white beer.
Anyway, Weizen beers are certainly something we ought to thank the Germans for. My favourites (your suggestions are fine too, though) are Erdinger Weizen (of Germany) and Dentergems (of Belgium).
astorian: thanks for the heads-up on the Celis brews. Damn. What a shame. Sold it to MILLER, no less. Yikes.
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I’m up for it, mate. My boss, who owns the bar I work at, wouldn’t mind it either. I wanna try some non-commercial American beers.
All right Mats. Lets see if we can work out some details. Feel free to email me so we can discuss it. Course this means far too much thinking for me, since I have to decide what to send ya first.
All right Mats. Lets see if we can work out some details. Feel free to email me so we can discuss it. Course this means far too much thinking for me, since I have to decide what to send ya first.