Fountain pens, ballpoints, rollingballs, felt tips- which do you use, and why?

I use exclusively Pilot Precise V rollerball pens…I buy 'em by the dozen.

This ink is so black and the line so bold that sometimes I’ll catch myself drawing random swatches of crosshatching all over my notes just because I love watching the pen make lines. I love my pens so much that I take copious notes in my classes for the pure joy of writing with them.

The ink dries in relatively decent time, and I usually lose them before the ink runs out.

I hate ballpoints, even nice ones. How do people write with them?

Feynn, can you say more about this? What do you do to service a nib?

I used to collect old fountain pens. I’d get spare bladders and new nibs, and re-build them. For years, all I wrote personal letters with was real ink and a fountain pen.

Then, the Internet came and took this precious heritage away from me. But, I digress. I used to service the nibs by soaking them in hot water so they were no longer clogged, and cleaning them with alcohol to remove dried bits of ink that might interrupt a smooth flow of ink.

Similarly, an unused pen would need to have the bladder rinsed with warm water and let to dry, before being refilled.

Now, I only own a few fountain pens. I use this neato UniBall pen. If I need to press in VER hard, I use a black medium ballpoint.

Cartooniverse

Okay, I can’t resist the Pen Thread.

I used to be a devotee of cheap fountain pens. A&W, for example, makes a great pen in the less-than-$10 range. Diplomat, too. (But I will never again buy a cheap Shaeffer. I have found them to be leaky and in general a pain in the ass. The more spendy Schaeffers are nice. Their calligraphy fountain pens are okay, too. But my advice is to avoid the cheap ones.) I liked them because they were cheap, and when I inevitably lost them, it wasn’t such a big deal.

I’ve gotten a couple of nice pens, Watermans, and I’ve really gotten spoiled by them. There’s nothing like the heft of a good pen, and the feel of a good quailty writing instrument in your hand. I’ve got a “home” pen that stays in one place at home, and my “work” pen, that stays at my desk at work, and I haven’t managed to lose one yet (knock on wood.) I still have my cheapos to carry around in my bag, but since I’m not taking classes and such, I find I don’t have much cause to use them.

For instances where a fountain pen Won’t Do, like addressing envelopes (fountain pen ink isn’t waterfast, and it makes me nervous) or writing on carbon copy forms, I have a “Jiminie Gel” from Zebra that makes a nice, fat, black line.

And for pencils, I submit that there is no finder graphite writing experience than that profided by the Staedtler Elite. So smooth it’s like writing with a good pen. I’m also very fond of my new Dixon Ticonderoga mechanical pencil. It’s got a honkin’ 2 mm lead and, get this, a wee pencil sharpener in the cap. Best of both worlds–a thick strong lead for heavy writers, and a wicked sharp point whenever you want it.

I have three pens coming in the mail: relatively cheap Pelikans in F,M, and B nibs. I can’t wait!

That’s it, this thread is in my personal favourite threads list! (that, uh, doesn’t exactly exist, but hey!)

Cartooniverse, I’ve read that you should never use hot water with a fountain pen. I’m assuming that you didn’t have any problems using it, though. Do you think that it’s a valid warning, or just something of a C.Y.A of pen manufacturers?

This is my favourite thread as it both highly informative, amusing, and relates to my favourite interest. Basically, everything a SDMB thread should be.

Pod… what took you so long to get in here? :slight_smile:

Fountain pen ink can be waterproof depending on the type. For example, Parker black is quite permanent and very resisitant to fading. This is important where I work as I handle a lot of legal documents and one cannot use ink that will fade… I got a card from a dear friend some years ago and sadly, the ink she used is really fading away. If you still need to write on carbons you need a pen with a manifold nib which is sturdy enough to go through multiple part forms. Rotring 600’s have this kind of nib and are almost indestructible.

I’ve got some ink test results somewhere which show what inks are the best when it comes to permanence and water resistance. I’ll be putting it up at my site whenever the server is back online (later today). There will be writing samples too… woo hoo!

Algernon - If I tell everyone how to do it then I’ll be out of a job… :slight_smile:

But seriously, one thing I’ve found in talking to pen collectors is that we’re all pretty good about sharing knowledge although we all have our secrets…

Feynn’s quick primer on pen/nib repair:

There are many aspects to making a nib perform the way it should. It needs to be clean (along with the entire pen) and the tines need to be properly aligned. A misalignment will make the pen scratchy or prevent the pen from starting or writing at all.

The tools I use are simple; dental picks, fine razors, and a variety of sanding papers (for cutting) and high grade 1 micron sanding disks for polishing. I also have several illuminated magnifiers and a high powered jewellers loupe. Having steady hands and nerves of steel come in handy as you are sometimes working on a microscopic level. Some pens require specialized tools, ie. Parker vacs need special pullers to remove the filling unit.

The pen I serviced was an Osmiroid and one feature I like about them (besides a general low price) is that the nib and feed are one unit that can be screwed in and out making them easily interchangeable and replaceable if your favourite pen sustains some gorm of grievous injury. Esterbrooks and Pelikans also share this feature (as does the Parker 45) so changing nibs is something you can do yourself. That’s a great feature when you consider that traditional nibs usually need to be professionally serviced as nib removal and adjustment are much more involved and risk prone.

This was a mint condition pen and since the tines were properly aligned all I had to do was open up the ink channel a little. I also did a light polishing to the point to make the pen smoother and ensure proper contact when the pen touched paper. The adjustments were microscopic in nature but now the pen writes smoothly with no skipping or hesitation. I consider this to be an accountants pen, perfect for filling in ledgers and not what I would use for intensive note taking. I also ran a few types of ink through it to see what worked best and settled on blue Quink.

I rarely use any kind of heat on pens as there is some risk involved. Plastics can warp and celluloid pens can actually burst into flames if subjected to an open heat source. Warm water is generally okay unless you are working on old cellluloid pens as they don’t like water either.

One of the best thing I like about the thread is the Q&A. I am putting together a collection of articles and many of the questions put forward here will be addressed there too. I would be happy to take any pen reviews too as other people can hear about why you love your favourite pen.

Gotta run…

Thanks Feynn and Cartoonuniverse for your answers to my servicing question.

If I feel a need, it sounds like cleaning would be the first step, then if I got brave I might try checking the alignment and perhaps even trying a little polishing. Anything beyond that and I think I’d get too nervous about screwing screwing something up. (I’ll just send it to you Feynn!)

Thanks again.

Oops. I mean Cartooniverse. Sorry.

That’s okay, Algernon. Lots of people mistake me for a nun, you’re in fine company. :stuck_out_tongue:

Feynn ? I kneel before your Nibby Greatness. I am nothing. I’m not worthy… man, you have raised this way beyond anything I ever considered. I was proud that I’d been making my own pen shaft cleansers using small bits of chamois, so as not to mar the inside. You are indeed a Noble Nibber !!!

zweisamkeit, I didn’t use boiling hot. Just tap hot. I can imagine the makers of any fine wooden pen being freaked about hot water near their pen bodies. I used to collect Bakalite and plastic ones, in addition to a bunch of lovely Art Deco metal ones. The water was not an issue for these, needless to say.

I never owned any this mint, but my gosh…given a really fine quality vellum, This Pen Set woulda been the bees knees !

Cartooniverse - I am not worthy of such adoration but thanks anyways. Anyone who would take the same care in cleaning the inside of a pen as they would the outer is definately worthy.

In regard to your comment,

“Then, the Internet came and took this precious heritage away from me.”

There’s no reason not to find another pen and start writing letters again. Although e-mail is instant a handwritten letter or note communicates so much more, it has texture and substance, and the words themselves can be like your thoughts being poured out onto paper.

Perhaps we need to start a group for people here who would like to really use their favourite pens and send messages the old fashioned way…

So I just got home and went to check my site… the server is still down. This will soon be a rant of epic proportions if it’s not up and running soon.

This thread has given me such an abundance of material and thoughts I think I am going to grab one of my favourite pens and my writing pad and begin work on another article. I filled that Osmiroid with Pelikan brown ink today so perhaps that will be my weapon of choice… I love that colour but then again my old trusted Sheaffer has a full tank of Peacock blue in it… sometimes it’s hard to choose.

At least my pens don’t get jealous if I use another pen.

I’m definitely in the minority here.

I like felt tip pens, specifically Expresso Extra Fine tip. Prefer black ink, but use red for editing and blue just for a color change sometimes.

I like them mostly because of the scratchy sound they make when writing.

mornea… Actually, the people here who use fountain pens are in the minority.

Pod mentioned pencils… I gave Lola a green Pentel “Kerry” pencil which bills itself as the finest mechanical pencil in the world. They’re not cheap but they could be right. A friend said they had theirs for 25 years until they lost it.

http://www.pencity.com/cgi-bin/SoftCart.exe/Pentel/KerryMP.htm?L+scstore+cabc1028+1038145501

I have to get one for myself.

Zebra Rollerballs. Great black ink that can go from fine to thin, depending on how you hold the pen. And the name is hilarous. Did you know zebra’s had balls that rolled? I didn’t!

I once made a completely fantastic quill pen out of a turkey tail feather. I wrote with slightly transluscent blue ink from a bottle and felt like I was one of the Bronte sisters or Jane Austen. And I adore my calligraphy pen from Germany that I can’t remember the name of. Why is it that the Germans make fantastic pens?

You’re lucky there. If I dare use the wrong one on the wrong day, they suffer from pens envy.

:smiley:

:eek:

“Why is it that the Germans make fantastic pens?”

Kreuzer, Geha, Lamy, Pelikan, Soennecken, Luxor, Osmia, Kaweko, Rotring … all nice pens.

Sheaffer, Wahl, Eversharp, Esterbrook, Parker, Waterman, John Holland, Conklin, Moore, Carters, Morrison, Cross, Salz… all nice pens.

Don’t get me started on the Italians…

And let me put in another plug for Parker Quink Blue/Black ink. I am in the process of packing up my office and I came across several of my legal pads from years ago. The ink hasn’t faded in the least.

Zoff… Have you noticed that Parker black ink smells funny? Not funny ha ha but funny in that most of the other ink I use isn’t so pungent.

I do have an overdeveloped sense of smell so perhaps other people wouldn’t notice it as much as I do.

Cartooniverse - “pens envy”… :D…