Those were examples taken off the topof my head. Im sure I can find many others. Neither would I limit social grandstanding on the Democratic side to Al Sharpton. Im sure many others closer to power have similar-ish views on other social issues.
Hey, if you want another example of Democratic shysterism; Jonathan Gruber. We can argue here until the cows come home. Much of the disagreement here is based on our own personal politics. Each side believe his side morally or intellectually superior to the other. Well this in fact may be correct. However, I fall back once again on my own knowledge of human nature and political partisanship - that both sides are roughly as bad as each other. This has been the case throughout most historical political partisanship in modern Western society. If politicians can be as bad as each other then their journalistic shrills are just as likely to be as bad.
Whoops, mistook Issa for Inhofe. Although Issa’s schtick is also pretty blantantly partisan, essentially going for witch hunt after witch hunt, trying to find any scandal to pin to the president, no matter how flimsy the evidence.
Of course, if you’re of the impression that climate change is a “fad”, then of course you won’t care about Inhofe’s position on the issue. You’d also be dead wrong and possibly scientifically illiterate.
Loving the specifics here. The only specific case mentioned is from decades ago. Or the Jonathan Gruber case, which didn’t really have a whole lot of meat on its bones. How 'bout “Death panels”? The Birther movement? The removal of welfare restrictions? Hell, pick a random “lie of the year” from politifact and chances are it’s parroted by someone on Fox! Or how about Benghazi? You know, that story Fox basically gave a happy ending to for over a year, and then continued to hype even after the republican-authored house report found nothing?
Or hell, we can go to statistics. Why is it that in study after study of viewer information levels, FOX viewers rank somewhere between “close to the very bottom” and “literally worse than not watching any news at all”?
There is no equivalency. Your “gut feeling” on the subject is simply wrong, and it’s, depressingly, what the republicans are counting on. They need people to think that way, because it lets them have the defense of “Well, look at how crazy the democrats are” without the democrats actually being crazy!
The discussion has moved somewhat far afield but my local CBS affiliate has been running a banner at the bottom of the screen stating that their parent company is trying to negotiate a new carriage agreement with Dish Network. If it’s not completed by the 15th, it lists several popular CBS programs that will no longer be available to Dish Networkians after that date. I didn’t suppose it reached down to the local affiliate level.
FWIW, and to atone for taking the thread off on a tangent, I was a Dish customer who left it something like ten years ago, when they briefly stopped carrying CBS over a contract dispute. I switched to DirectTV, and got some nice discounts, and since then I’ve been on a couple of different cable companies, but I’ve never gone back to Dish. And reading that they are still pulling this stuff, I’m not inclined to, no matter how good the deal is.
And I’m not anywhere nearly as fervent a fan of CBS as many Fox News viewers are of that channel. I would expect this to hurt Dish more than it hurts Fox News in the long run.
Here’s another example. Again, linked to Jonathan Gruber. The release of the Senate Intelligence Report on torture just last month. Its release was timed to the very day that Jonathan Gruber was hauled before a Congressional Committee. Gruber’s high profile appearance had been advertised a few weeks in advance. The Senate report was released at the timing of Senate Democrats(despite being asked by natioal security people to delay releasing the report). Coincidence? No way. So, yes, call me skeptical when you claim Democrats arent full of it just as much as Republicans.
Sorry, my fault. I simply wanted to point out that politicians on both sides are as by and large as bad as each other. If the politicians are as bad as each other then their journalist allies are too; if their journalist allies are as bad as each other then so are their viewers. All are pretty much as biased, bigotted, lying pieces of shit(when needing to be) as each other. Each side may have different biases in different areas, but the bias is there.
But you’re citing one single example and acting that this eclipses all biases on display by Republicans and/or Fox News.
CNN is not as biased in favor of Democrats as Fox is in favor of Republicans.
Democrats are not as biased in favor of liberalism as Republicans are in favor of conservatism.
Liberalism is not as biased as conservatism.
Why can’t you point out examples of liberal media bias, then? The Fox thread in GD has tons of examples of outright lying and disinformation. Where are your examples? I especially want to see them from the New York Times, which is frequently used as an example. I know of one story that was fabricated by a crack addict, but it wasn’t political in any way. The one other example that was political was Judith Miller’s work on the Iraq connection to terrorism, which was in full support of the Bush2 administration.
This is spot on imo. Every era has it’s media biases as does every political persuasion. Not to get religous(really im not) but one bias begets another bias. What one side does affects the other, both learn from one other. To believe that the liberal bias does not exist to roughly the same extent as conservative bias is just downright head in the sand stuff.
I cited other examples earlier. I can cite further examples if I searched for them.
I did not say CNN is as biased in favour of Democrats as Fox is of Republicans. I did compare MSNBC as a rough equivalent to Fox. My point during most of this thread has been that bias on both sides exist. Each bias may not express itself in exactly the same way, but the bias is there. It’s as prevalent in liberals as it is in conservatives, libertarians, reactionaries, anarchists, communists, fascists, anti-fascists, anti-communists, greens, monarchists and free-marketeers. The outlets and opportunities for biases in favour of these ideologies will vary, but bias is intrinsic in the followers and proponents of each and every one of them. If both sides have their own news networks then they will both play a roughly equivalent game.
Can I say that MSNBC are wrong only 31% of the time compared to Fox’s 49% of the time? No, I cannot and I would not point to such a relatively meaningless stat. I will point to the fact that both sides are a mirror of each other, that both will resemble one another more than they differ.
To be fair I don’t think I have been asked for any examples. If you wish to find some examples of liberal bias then maybe do a search for them yourself.