Friend is hatching plan that involves purposeful jailtime and hunger strike. Support?

I have this seemingly normal, nay, even BRILLIANT friend who has come up with a hairbrained scheme for a protest. He’s personally behind and being taken advantage of with child care payments by an ex-wife. Fine.

However, he’s somehow mananaged to roll that into the fact that soldiers currently overseas are being completely SCREWED by the system to allow mothers to divorce them and take custody of children without any chance of response from the father. The long and the short of it is that the mother files suit, and even if she’s a crack whore, if the father in Baghdad can’t show up in court within 90 days, she automatically gets custody.

So, this friend has a GREAT point and a terrifically written up presentation, explaining with statistics how unfairly women are given custody of minor children some ENORMOUS percentage of the time. And how the man’s payment to those families doesn’t reflect reality…it is rarely based on his actual income, rarely takes into consideration his ability to be able to afford to visit those children or buy them Christmas gifts once he’s paid support, etc.

And alongside this, a really great diatribe about how this is hurting the morale of soldiers, the males of which are losing their children in record numbers (it really is staggering) while they’re off fighting this quagmire.

Being a war-protester in general, his solution: Get himself ARRESTED (if he’s caught he’s going to go to jail for being behind in child support payments anyway) and then start a hunger strike, which he is convinced will draw attendion to the plight of soldiers, get George Bush himself involved, and both get him out of jail AND start some protest and change in the way custody hearings are done with both soldiers and regular guys at home.

Errr…okay. He’s my friend. I actually believe he’s RIGHT…about the ridiculous ways the divorce courts award custody and child support and the ways that it harms…well…EVERYONE, not just the over-paying father.

However…his fantasy of how he’ll be treated in jail (Oh, they’ll get me right in to the psych ward once they know I’m on a hunger strike) and how he’ll handle it (Oh, I won’t be bored in jail…lots of attention once people find out what’s going on) are just…fantasy. I’m scared for him.

When I mention to him…“err…honey, are you aware that you might not be able to SHOWER? THey may not give you UNDERWEAR? You could actually DIE before anyone notices you’re on a hunger strike?” Or when I say, “What about your new girlfriend? What about your job? What about custody of your son you’ve been fighting for for so long?” He stops me and says, “Well, if you’re not going to support me in this, and just be a downer, I can’t talk to you about it.”

I don’t want to be a downer, I just want him to think about REALITY.

In spite of the weirdly written, typo-laden ramblings above, I’m a professional writer and have been for almost 20 years now. So he’d like me to look over some presentations he has (I’ve done that), write up some op-ed stuff, letters to editors, purpose statements, and things like that for him. Honestly, I WANT to help and believe he has a good cause. And on the one hand, I think taking the middle of the road and letting things go by without dramatic action is no way to get things accomplished or to live your life.

On the other hand, I’m afraid for this friend. As smart as he is, I don’t think he knows what he’s getting into by stepping into a JAIL cell…he smugly thinks everything will go his way.

His story IS newsworthy and he does have a couple of contacts that can help get it into the public eye.

What do you say, Dopers, do I get behind him wholeheartedly with a shrug and a “Whatever you decide I’ll stick by you” or do I give him a sound lecture about what a mistake he’s making?

Well, I wouldn’t willingly step into a jail cell for a cause, but that’s just me. It ain’t gonna be a picnic. Keep trying to be the devil’s advocate, but promise him you’ll visit him when he’s in jail.

I don’t think you’re going to change his mind.
I spent a weekend in jail once twenty years ago and ever since then I’ve been sure to comport myself so that I would never, ever go to jail again. It’s not as fun as it looks.

If his material is so good, then it should be easy to get publicity.

“Support our troops!”
“Support families!”

Why not look for existing pressure groups and work through them?

Being stuck in some jail hospital, hoping that some politician takes up your cause, even though you’re a felon? :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

So he’s a jackass who won’t pay his child support, and he has a stupid idea for getting out of it.

Maybe a spell in the klink will wake him up. Might be just what the doctor ordered.

Aren’t they already putting stop orders on custody changes when there’s a deployment involved? I thought I read something about that the other day.

Yeah, here’s an article. A bill was introduced and it needs to pass the Senate, but this sounds like a slam-dunk to me. Also, it’s interesting (to me) that the case that prompted the bill was a female soldier losing custody to her (male) ex.

You may want to mention this to him. At least get him to wait and see if the bill passes.

I don’t think the public will weep for a perceived deadbeat, no matter how hungry he gets or how much he says he cares about the troops.

Stupid idea.

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Thanks, that was good for a nice laugh!

I’ll be sure to share it with some of my patients who went the hunger-strike route in prison in the past. Also the nurses and security staff. They’ll get a kick out of it too.

In the meantime, don’t be such a downer for him, with all your talk about reality! :wink:

This is exactly my point of view. And I sort of agree with RickJay as well…he’s using this as a tie in to make an excuse for his OWN shortcomings.

Granted, he’s not paying support on the grounds that his wife doesn’t NEED it, tht she’s not using it to care for the children, etc…I mean, it’s a bit more complicated than that he’s just a “deadbeat.” But of course, this is how it’s going to look to the public in general.

A great public campaign with information, letters and info to news outlets (I’m happy to help with that) would be MUCH more effective.

And I figured he wasn’t the ONLY person to recognize this as a problem.

I hope dopers don’t think less of me for this, but I once spent three nights in a jail cell as well. When I tried to describe to him what it was like, he didn’t want to hear about it. Reality is NOT going to be what he sees on Law & Order but if you mention that to him you’re “not supporting him.”

Honestly, Qadgop, how averse would you be to sending me a description (if you have time) of exactly what WILL happen? Because I would like to be prepared FOR him and I would like to let him know. And neither of us has any clue…he has even less than I do. Would you write me and let me know? Or post it here? How long do you starve before they force a feeding tube into you?

Huh? Who is he to determine whether or not she “needs” it? Didn’t they have a hearing and a judge to make that decision? I really hate this argument. How on earth does he know the break-down of child support vs. her money? What exactly does he mean she doesn’t use it to care for the children? This doesn’t sound *at all * like it’s more complicated than him being a deadbeat.

Well, sure they had a hearing a few years ago. But if you have THAT much faith in the justice system, you may be a little deluded. Judges don’t always award things fairlly…she’s making $60 an hour and has a live in partner who’s an attorney who cares for the children. He’s was giving her child support money and watching her buy clothes and new cars for herself with it while the kids went without things they needed like school supplies. It’s pretty simple really.

Just because a person doesn’t comply with an unjust or out of date ruling, that doesn’t really automatically make them a “deadbeat.”

I still agree that he should take care of his OWN legal issues before taking on war protest nonsense. However, he’s been unable to get back into court over it, they refuse to revisit the issue on the grounds of new information/changes in income status for those involved, etc.

Quite frankly, if he can pay child support and he just isn’t paying it, I say step aside and let him go to jail. If some good for the soldiers comes from it, all to the good - although I won’t hold my breath. If he is the type to come up with a scheme like this, no wonder he didn’t get custody.

Since you sound like you need assurance, most of us won’t, no. For those who do, I have a nice shower with lots of pressure I can let them borrow. But they must use the water cold, assuming they like it hot. If they like it cold, they must use it hot.

ETA’s boys have been going on hunger strikes during their trials for years, so much so that by now anybody except the most virtual-tree-hugging idiot doesn’t give a damn. Defendants on the March 11 case being judged right now have opted for a thirst strike instead and they’re just getting the same response from the general public ( :rolleyes: or indiference) and from the judges (“feed/hydrate him” and removal from the room if they try to resist beyond going stony on the seat). It doesn’t make your situation better at all.

Quite aside from all the details of what he’s planning at the moment, this is a really worrying, paranoid-deluded-sounding thing to say. I don’t have any useful suggestions though, sorry.

There are very practical reasons for avoiding jail. Aside from the crappy reality of jail, if there’s ever a future custody/child support, etc. battle, judges don’t tend to rule in favor of convicted felons. And he’ll have to check off “Yes” to the question “Have you ever been convicted of a felony?” on future job applications. That will preclude him from working in many fields.

Finally, unless it’s a truly onerous crime that he commits, he won’t be in jail long enough to wage an effective hunger strike.

He should spend his time trying to work off the debt he owes to his children and not concocting stupid publicity stunts.

You are right. However, on a side note, you can go to jail and not be a felon. I’m not sure what non-payment of child support falls under anyway. But it’s the court that decides your charge. For example, as previously mentioned, I spent three nights in jail and I have no criminal record at all. The charge was misdemeanor trespass and was dropped.

Having been in jail at ALL will not look good in custody disputes and COULD come up if he ever needs a high level security clearance. But none of my employers ever has to know that I was “in trouble.” It just doesn’t work that way.

Does anyone know: Don’t they usually hold non-payment cases until the past due amount is paid?

Not long enough to wage an effective hunger strike.

Yes you can. In my state a Class 1 misdemeanor is punishable by up to one year in jail. I think a year is long enough for a hunger strike.