Fringe 1/11/13

Can’t believe there wasn’t a thread about it already, seeing as how it’s the last episode before next week’s two hour series finale.

Ok, so we learn more about Michael (the little bald dude) and meet up with September (the formerly bald dude) and Windmark (the main bald dude) seems to be the only bald dude concerned about the Fringe team.

They’ve mostly pieced together the plan to defeat the observers (although they were still working on retrieving another tape - are we still going to see it and is there going to be some surprising info on it, or do they not need it now?).

The plan is supposed to un-do the creation of the observers all together. But won’t that change everything that’s happened over the course of the whole series? The biggest one being that September distracted Walternate from seeing that he’d successfully created the medicine that would cure Peter. Therefore Walter wouldn’t need to cross over to the other universe to save Peter, thereby causing all the rifts etc that caused so much problem. And therefore Peter wouldn’t grow up in our universe and wouldn’t end up hooking up with Olivia (I suspect Peter recognized this when Olivia talked about her hope that the plan would return there daughter - he knows it probably means that Etta probably will end up never having existed at all…
All in all, a pretty good episode. I’m really curious to see how they wrap the whole thing up next week.

yeah - this makes no sense in reality - lots of “emotion” just to have a reset button so the events that are taking place could never happen which means that the events that took place to cause the events that they want to not take place take place and then everybody’s ok in the end because none of this ever happened?

I feel like I’ve wasted 5 years.

I gotta say, I’m not all that impressed with the plan. They’re staking the future of humanity on being able to talk a scientist into abandoning extremely promising and groundbreaking research because … what, exactly? Because it’s going to make things kind of suck hundreds of years later? If I’m on the verge of inventing the Zorb-o-tron, which will lead to untold riches and a legacy as one of the most important innovators in recorded history, but then someone claiming to be from the year 2500 shows up and tells me I have to go in another direction for his personal benefit, I think I’m going to tell him to go screw off. But let’s say, for the sake of argument, that Michael The Littlest Observer lays some scary visions of the future on me and talks me into it … is he also going to go around and talk all the other researchers in my field who were almost certainly breathing down my neck into giving up? Because they’re all going to happen to be really agreeable types, too? Good luck with that.

He’s not just going to show the researched how bad the Observers are, he’s goes to show him how good Michael is. Michael is the next step above the Observers, super intelligence and emotion all in one. And he’ll be way more advanced than what the scientist is working on.

Also, the Observers are super good with probabilities and whatnot, so when he says a plan will work, I think it’s safe to assume he’s right.

The plan just seems so … iffy to me. They’re counting on one scientist being moved enough by Michael’s giftedness that he changes the whole course of his research. When they said that was the plan, I actually said, “Seriously?”

It’s also quite a risk to Michael. Who’s to say they won’t experiment on and/or dissect the poor thing to study how he REALLY works? I guess if it saves the future, it’s worth the cost, but does anyone care about Michael’s future?

Of course, after this week, and Michael giving himself up, I’m not sure the plan is going to go through exactly as intended…

Was it supposed to be obvious that the kid wanted to be captured by the bad guys? Because it wasn’t to me.

It seemed clear to me that he knew what was going on and turned himself in to allow the others time to get away. Of course in real life the bad guys would hold the train until they’d searched it, since the fact that Michael was on the train was a pretty good indication that the Fringe gang was as well.

And what was the deal with the observer tapping his foot to the music? They’d genetically removed all emotions from themselves, but a jazzy musical piece still appeals to their feet, even when the observer that foot is attached to doesn’t understand what’s going on? :confused:

I think its supposed to show that they are re-evolving and bringing emotions back in - even ‘old observer’ is not ‘fully logical’ anymore - he’s emotionally invested and ‘worried’ about the fringe team winning.

I assumed that Michael’s existence precluded the sacrifice of emotions for intelligence which would therefore change the course of the Observers evolution. The Observers would still develop, but they would be a different more empathetic breed.
The question is. At which point would these timelines diverge? I think Olivia believes it would be on the day of the invasion when they lost Etta as a little girl, etc… I suppose, as a series finale, it could also mean the Observers never interfere with the timeline and the whole five seasons never happened, which would suck, I guess.

The latter is what I assume at this point and Walter’s sacrifice is not saving Peter (or not having to save teh altPeter).

It would be a travesty that would sour me not just on the last season but on the whole series. I fervently hope that’s not what they have planned.