Maybe the Silence got Peter.
Seconded. I can’t remember the last time I enjoyed a character in so many facets as all the Walters. I also love the way we are shown WHY Walter cut parts of his brain out - Walternate is living proof.
Walternate is an angry person (justifiably) - and while having the same overall abilities as our Walter, clearly went down a different path after Walter stole Peter. Walter cut out the pieces to that info so that he wouldn’t create it again (or have it get out to the wrong hands) - seems that our Walter was a bit short sighted there, as having that info could be pretty darn valuable, not to mentioned would have shortened a number of the scavenger hunts.
We know his reasoning for doing it - I’m not entirely convinced it was the correct reasoning.
Which I think backs up the point you were agreeing with - lots of sublety and interactions - while I am overall disappointed (or maybe just really confused) by the events in the finale - I will be watching next season to see where they take it - It is, without a doubt, a more interesting twist than the standard ‘reset’ button.
According to Wikipedia, John Noble…
No wonder he’s so good at acting.
And, although maybe not Emmy worthy, I really like how Anna plays both Olivias. One who’s insecure and scares just a little too easily for an FBI agent, in my opinion anyway, and the other (Fauxlivia), who is confident, braver, again, in my opinion, and a lot more sure of herself.
Didn’t our Walter say at one point that he cut part of his brain out because he was too dangerous, that he was capable of too many awful things? That’s what I meant.
Could probably be taken either way - I took it that the removed parts were pretty specific to this ‘cross over’ technology, that he felt that part was too dangerous - clearly they didn’t take away the parts that make him a genius and able to do ‘scary bad things’.
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Walter undergoes a CT scan, and the team learn Walter had three pieces of his brain tissue removed from his Hippocampus. The pieces were then apparently stored inside the brains of the cured patients fourteen years ago.Knowing only Walter could comprehend the memories concerning how to open a portal to another reality,the shapeshifters kidnap him
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In the episode where Newton got the brain fragments and kidnapped Walter, it was explained that Walter willingly let William Bell take out his brain fragments so that nobody else could construct the type of device that Walter made to cross universes.
Later on when William, Olivia, and the other Cortexiphan subjects were on the other side, Walter was upset with William for taking out pieces of his brain and didn’t know why he did it. Before William sacrificed himself to get everybody back to their own universe he told Walter that he did it at Walter’s request, because Walter was afraid of what he was becoming.
So, they’re basically planning to rip of Primeval, then?
Primeval:
- deals with abnormalities in the time continuum, which means dealing with animals from the distant past and future running amok in England
- had an event at the end of the first series where a tiny change in the timeline caused people to live different lives than before, with one character, Claudia Brown, becoming an entirely new person (Jenny Lewis), though played by the same actress.
Nah, I don’t really think they’re going to go with a permanent “Other Peter” storyline. Somehow we’ll get “our” Peter back before the end of the season.
I rewatched the episode before the finale (and the finale) with my wife, and noticed a few things in retrospect.
When Peter awoke from his coma, he believed he was on the otherside… but more than that. He unhooked the tubes in the hospital, looked in the closet, found the manilla envelope, and dumped the contents, but seemed like he was missing something. Then, after getting to Manhattan, he was wandering, looking for a pawn shop that he had sworn was supposed to be there, and had to ask for directions to find another. If he had merely thought he was on the other side, I can’t imagine he’d have that much detailed knowledge about the other universe’s local shops.
Also… He seemed rather bent on buying that silver half-dollar. He told the shop owner "It always brings me luck." Later, when Walter and Olivia catch up to him, Peter shows him the coin, and Walter exclaims, “Where did you get this?!” But before he could answer, they were interrupted. Then it was completely dropped.
Now, in the 16th episode of season 2, “Peter”, we learn that young Peter was practicing flipping the coin from finger to finger. Walter showed him some techniques, then gives it back to Peter to practice and Peter does it perfectly. Walter giggles, then says he wants him to have it… Walter: “My lucky silver dollar.” Peter then tells him if he dies, he wants Walter to have it. Walter tells him to rest, Peter makes him promise to wake him for dinner, then dies in Walter’s arms.
Yet, in the 20th episode of the first season “There’s More Than One of Everything”, Walter goes to his beach-house to retrieve the coin. He shows it to Peter, saying Peter collected coins when he was young because he became sick, and that was how Peter coped, and this one was his favorite. But, Peter says that he doesn’t recall any of that.
Now, when Walter kidnapped Peter from the other universe, it was his mom who gave him a similar coin that he was practicing with. The same sort of thing went down, but with his mother. But, instead of Peter dying, that’s when Walter showed up to kidnap Peter to the other side (but telling Elizabeth he needed to take him to the lab for the cure). Elizabeth gives the coin to Peter to take with him for luck.
What do it mean?! After he was thrown from the machine, went into a coma, then awoke, it was as if it was a version of Peter who had remained in the alternate universe, never stolen by Walter. Hrmmmm…
I think I’m going to need a diagram…
I finally watched it. I’m confused. When does next season start, anyone know?
No idea. I would guess either late sept/early oct if they start before the fucking world series messes up the schedule, or mid nov otherwise. Of course, there’s always a chance they could just hold the whole thing until next jan or feb, but I hope not.
Seasons 1-3 all began in September (the 9th, the 17th and the 23rd), so odds are that 4 will as well.
Well that’s not so bad. I can hold out until September.
One thing I hope they won’t do, but they probably will, is not start the season where we left off.
Kind of like how at the end of season 1 Olivia goes over to the other side and meets Bell. Then when season 2 starts she’s in the hospital and we get bits and pieces of her time on the other side in flashbacks.
When season 4 starts, it probably won’t be both sets of Fringe agents staring at each other.
It might begin sometime in 1985?
My (probably very wrong) theory:
In 2026, Walter and Peter use the machine to send Peter back when he was a boy, right before Walter kidnapped him.
Peter, knowing who he is and what will happen, refuses to go with Walter to his “lab” for the cure.
Something happens, and Walternate finds out about a 2nd Walter trying to take his son. But Peter does get the cure, but is still living in his own universe.
Stlll, because of Walter, they have the same problem of unstable soft-spots.
Which leaves our characters where they’re at now, merely trying to repair both sides. Yes, no, maybe so?
I don’t know, but you’re probably on the right track.
I’ve been thinking along similar lines. I said before I figure that maybe in this new time-line maybe Walter doesn’t break the antidote holding vial in his struggle with Nina so this time he can give Peter the medicine without having to take him to the other side.
Yep. Season 2 ended with Olivia locked in a cell, and season 3 began with them trying to convince her she was Fauxlivia, with the implication they had been trying for a while.
I have a feeling they won’t even address that there is a “Peter” problem until the very end of the first episode.
All Peter has to do is tell Walter - ‘dont break the bottle’ or prevent whatever action (minor) that caused the bottle to be broke that caused walter to kidnap peter that caused Walternate to be angry that broke the worlds we live in that caused Walter to send Peter to stop walter from breaking the worlds we live in.
So much drama in this series could be solved with a fairly simple exchange:
Walternate: You stole MY son!
Walter: He was sick, and you had the cure, but you missed the confirmation! I watched you through my portal. I emulated your formula, but when I came through the vial was broken, and the only means available to me to save Peter was to take him with me! Don’t you see? MY Peter died, and I couldn’t let it happen again!
Walternate: Oh. Okay, that makes sense.