Not sposed to copy and paste entire articles.
Funny - I googled the author’s name and NYT, and the first link took me right to the article w/ no sign up req’d
Most of the people in the sticks watch FOXNews, so probably the vast majority of them.
This. Even my local paper charges for a digital subscription. It costs money to run those things. Do you work for free?
How much do you guess we would have to pay him to die? I would contribute generously, and I am not even American.
One of mine does and one does not. https://lasvegassun.com is freely available, no targeted data mining required.
AFAIK all of the local TV channels in Las Vegas have freely available websites as well.
Then I won’t.
The real issue is that decisions need to be taken as and when they are required.
There is no artificial 15 day deadline to then introduce new policies, countries that have been affected are making important changes daily and in some places almost hourly.
It really is dumb to give the impression that a set of measures will be reviewed in 15 days time, what will happen is that the current measures will provide data in that time but the situation will have moved on dramatically by then, todays changes will be needed for data gathered 15 days ago.
Trump’s motives seem selfish and myopic. He’s a bad guy and a bad POTUS. That said, for once there is a there there.
Yup, this coronavirus pandemic is a mean motherfucker. Probably tens of thousands will die, maybe a million, maybe more. We’re all understandably focused on that. Meanwhile, we have a whole nother crisis brewing with the collapse of the economy in the cards. 20% unemployment? -15% GNP? Maybe worse than that?
Folks, the economic crisis is its own separate horseman of the Apocalypse. The there that’s there in this discussion is that, yes, we really should find a way to balance our responses to both. We want to minimize risk to life but the quest to drive it all the way to 0% will have its own consequences.
What do we do when every bartender, waitress, Uber driver, retail employee and more is unemployed and out of money? It isn’t just that they will become bad consumers that don’t buy anything, driving everyone else out of business. They won’t pay their rent and will face eviction. Or else we taxpayers will have to bail them out, which isn’t out of the question mind you, but the kind of “socialism” where the state supports a huge non-working population really is going to fall apart eventually.
How much debt can we sustain? $25T? $30T $40T At some point we quit having public services. Infrastructure gets worse. Social Security gets cancelled. Obamacare and Medicare end, and then the pubbies win- a government that exists mostly to extract money from the masses to pay interest on loans made by the wealthy, a society without employment OR public services where those in need are on there own and can just crawl away and die if their needs threaten to cost another dollar to the New Aristocracy.
The bottom line is that we don’t have good options. I don’t want to be reckless, but I also don’t think we should automatically start throwing cabbage and rotten eggs at everybody who calls attention to the economic crisis. We are beset by TWO monsters. Focusing on only one will get us killed by the other. I don’t promote recklessness, but I say we should at least engage the discussion on how to face both.
Then you don’t need the New York Times, do you?
I looked at the top 15 states with the most cases of Covid-19 and separated by 2016 Presidential vote.
Current fatality rates:
Red-land: 1.5%
Blue-land: 1.1%
Hard to predict where the primary hit will come. I expect worse care in red country. However, I would expect that the average child count per family is and has been lower in blue country, so the elderly are a larger slice of the pie there. Blue country is also more densely populated.
No it isn’t, but he is good at repression. Tomorrow he will have forgotten again.
Only when someone offers something they think is pertinent that is only available on the New York Times, which is why we’re having this conversation.
Putin is playing a very long game.
Okay, but trump is measuring the economy in terms of the stock market. Getting it to go back up doesn’t necessarily mean we’re not having massive job loss and evictions etc.
Trump is, of course, a moron. The stock market was overinflated with his expansion-time stimulus to impress his doltish followers. Now that has unwound, everyone is going to suffer financially if not get sick and/or die, and Trump will get voted out.
Still, we should not just ignore the threat to the economy. Soup kitchens and Hoovervilles might not work out very well in a country with $30T in debt during a deadly pandemic. All I’m saying is that we face two very real threats, not just one.
A bunch of idiots here in Las Vegas have their own plan for economic relief: Class action lawsuit filed in Las Vegas blames China for COVID-19 outbreak
:facepalm:
Fucking idiots. They’ll prolly rake in donations for the cause, tho; people are stupid as fuck.
First, you refer to all those people as if they are “other” when in fact they are your fellow Dopers and your fellow citizens.
Also, quite a few of us retail employees are not only still employed but working mandatory overtime.
In addition, all those formally employed people were, up until recently, taxpayers just like yourself and the rest of us. They did not become some mysterious Other that never paid taxes when they lost their jobs. What good is pay taxes if the government and society to which we pay them discards us like trash when we need help the most?
I point these things out to highlight how language betrays inner bias, and how words can shape how we view each other.
Someone who was an employed tax-paying citizen on Monday does not suddenly become a life-long leech when losing a job on Tuesday. Why shouldn’t we bail out these ordinary citizens when our society is willing to bail out faceless corporations?
The spirit of fear dominates our age.
Get a grip, people.