I feel like when the average American asks themselves if they would like to have a beer with Pete Buttigieg, they worry that he’s going to show up with some obscure Indiana IPA and talk their ear off about artisianal hop varieties.
His problem isn’t that he’s gay, it’s that he’s, in the words of Weird Al, white and nerdy.
As one commentator asked, is America really ready for an openly Millennial president?
True, but these numbers, as the pollsters said- have fluctuated widely. Propaganda by the Palestinians is doing pretty good. And those numbers are for the Israel government, not the People, who are still viewed favorably. And the Palestinian Authority is still viewed negatively by Dems. And Hama VERY negatively.
That crook Netanyahu likely wont be in office in 2028, he might well be in prison.
It’s not propaganda, it’s factual reporting of the suffering and conditions in Gaza. If you want to discuss this further, I strongly recommend taking it to another thread.
We have several. And i have posted in them. You brought it up.
Right, because what Democrats want is a straight-laced conventional white guy who talks about church a lot.
Shrug, if you had paid attention to the posts I was replying to, you would have noticed that we were talking about the demographic that wouldn’t vote for him because he is gay, and why I think his particular traits are capable of overcoming those prejudices. In that particular demographic of course, those are qualities they are looking for.
Me personally. I am an apatheist. I couldn’t care less if he’s talking about God, except how it would affect getting elected.
I like him because I agree with the majority of his policy positions and how good he is at campaigning and winning over people to his side, even when they are nominally against him. (see 2020 election and his numerous Fox News and Congressional testimonies.)
I get the point, I just don’t agree that there are any significant number of voters in 2025 who are “uncomfortable” with a gay candidate; it’s polarized between those who would never vote for one and those who don’t care at all.
I’m not sure how the 2020 election demonstrates how he is good at campaigning, but OK.
I agree - same with the idea that “America isn’t ready for a woman president”.
About three in five non-LGBTQ adults (61%) say they are supportive of our community
I agree there have been major strides in widespread acceptance of the LGBTQ community. But I still consider 39% of Americans not being supportive of LGBTQ folks to be a significant number.
It is one thing to be accepted at work or as someone’s neighbor and another to have people willing to vote for you for national office.
Yeah, but the 39% are all voting Republican anyway.
I don’t have data, but seriously question this. Lots of whites, who wouldn’t want to live in a neighborhood with a large percentage of Blacks, voted for Obama. And lots of heterosexuals, who wouldn’t consider buying a house in the local gayborhood, would vote for Buttigieg.
As for the 2028 candidates, the primary campaign, and especially the debates, are the test. Maybe Mark Kelly makes a fool of himself while Buttigieg threads all the needles. Or maybe the opposite. I’m gonna go by that.
Cite that ALL of them are voting GOP?
Yes, there is a stark divide between parties on rights but even 62% of Republicans polled in 2024 supported protections for LGBTQ people in housing and employment discrimination. Marriage rights and especially transgender rights show a much greater decline in support from GOP voters.
While a larger % of Democratic and Independent voters would be okay voting for a gay person for national office I still don’t think it would be the non-issue some posters assume.
If you look here, you can see half or more of Mexicans having, as of 2017, negative views about Jews:
Survey of Attitudes Towards Jews in Mexico
And yet, about eight months into the Gaza war, Claudia Sheinbaum won the Mexican presidency with 61 percent of the vote.
Antisemitism is a little different in that some of the bigoted views about Jews can be twisted as positive. But Mexico’s Jewish community is not only tiny, but also probably trended against Sheinbaum. Whereas some people, maybe a lot of Americans, would vote for Buttigieg because he was from their identity community – just as some would vote for a woman for that reason. There just isn’t any evidence, I see, that being from a minority is a net negative for an American politician.
Non-issue? No. Gender and LGBT is going through the mind of every voter when they make their choice. But how it impacts isn’t so predictable.
As a gay man who has been out for 40 years I can attest that things have become much better. But I would dispute, as our friend Thing Fish said in the post above, that ALL voters with an issue voting for a gay candidate would vote for the GOP. There are still plenty of homophobic voters in the Democratic Party. They may keep their mouths shut most of the time but they are still around.
I think Pete Buttigieg is a great guy and could end up being a great President at some future date. And I would love it if he runs in the primaries. But 2028 is much too soon for him to be the nominee.
I think it would better serve the country and Pete’s career if he were given a more prominent Cabinet post if that happens. Maybe Sec. of Defense. He has the brains and the background. That could set him up for a run in '32 or '36.
I agree with the first sentence.
I do not agree that being in a politics a long time is a plus in a general election. The longer you are in, the more material for oppo research. As for SecDef, there is a whole lot that can go wrong, and then you are to blame for life.
Even if it is true that his gay identity hurts, he has another identity that helps – combat veteran. If running against JD Vance, this is important.
I’m not arguing for Buttigieg. I’m just arguing against focusing on one factor.
But do you agree as our friend Thing Fish said that ALL people not supportive of LGBTQ folks are going to vote GOP?
And I’m not focusing on one issue with Pete. He is a great speaker but he needs more experience.
Japanese who read the Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion, and believed it was real, wanted to embrace Jews instead of shunning them. “We want some of that.”
Some Indy voters, but more importantly, there are quite a few that want a qualified candidate, and Mayor Pete aint got a Oval Office resume. yet. I mean- mayor of a medium sized city and a second level cabinet post?
The Polls are showing Newsom, then Harris, with Buttigieg and AOC doing not bad. Kelly isnt even at 1%, Pritzker , Shapiro Beshear, Walz all in a pack behind AOC.
Yep, with some more experience, 2032 might be right. Governor Pete? Senator Pete?
Right, my main issue with him- and AOC also.
It’s 2025. No one’s declared. These polls mean bupkiss.
At this point 12 years ago, I believe Jeb! and Herman Cain were neck-and-neck.
Presidential polls this far out are just a name recognition contest.