I feel she should run again in 2028 and become the first woman president. I feel she stands better chance in 4 years time than in the present election where she was saddled with the twin burdens of inflation and border issues and also being the vp of an unpopular (sad but true) president Biden.
Thoughts on this ?
She showed spectacularly poor judgment in staffing her campaign with old guard neoliberals who told her to stop calling Republicans weird and to tout the Cheneys’ endorsement instead of focusing on Obama-Biden voters.
2028’s candidate needs working class populist cred, not “Goldman Sachs supports my tax credit for homebuyers” cred.
That’s a factor. But not decisive. What’s decisive is what the USA looks like in 2026 & 2027.
If the (whole, not just LW) public is tired of Fascism w trumply characteristics then go for it. If the Fascist dictator is still on a roll, give it a pass.
Nothing else matters to any competent D of Presidential potential. There is no point in splatting into a speeding locomotive coming the other way.
I think she understood and will learn lessons from the 2024 campaign.
Disagree. IIRC a general election losing candidate has only pulled this off three times, and two of those were former POTUSes (Grover Cleveland and of course now Trump). That means if she did run, the closest example would be Richard Nixon in ‘68. Not what I would recommend for Democrats.
On top of that, the primary would become a “why it shouldn’t be Harris” single issue primary. Meaning the other candidates wouldn’t have a full opportunity to run on their own platform. They would essentially end up becoming different flavors of the anti-Harris platform.
I feel she gained valuable experience running a campaign…a very good campaign, against a tough opponent like Trump. And in 2028 Trump will not be in the fray …whatever one may say it’s true that Trump has a fanatic core voter base which no one else in both parties has. So him not running would be a major advantage for her. Facing any other opponent may be easier I feel.
Interesting position for the OP to take.
I would say that she ran a good campaign, on the whole, with a few missteps that in a sane world would not have been consequential. She’s not the best orator, or the best at thinking on her feet…she improved over time but she still has a way to go.
I would see it like this: if Harris develops her campaigning chops further and reaches out to progressives (IMO), then I’d be happy to see her do well in the primaries and be the Dem candidate. I’m perfectly happy with her throwing her hat in the ring.
However, there’s a long time to go, and I think it’s more likely that she’ll be eclipsed by a more popular candidate in that time.
I disagree pretty viscerally with the OP. I think Kamala Harris would have made a good, maybe even great, president. I supported her and donated more money to her than any other political candidate in my life.
But like Hillary Clinton (who I also supported), she had her chance and lost. In the 2028 election, the most important thing is to defeat the party currently supporting fascism in this country. I support whoever is most likely to do this. Based on past results, I think this is unlikely to be Kamala Harris.
In short, nominating Kamala Harris is akin to doubling down on a losing hand, regardless of how much experience she might have gained in four months of campaigning as the Democratic nominee for president.
I also fear that the U.S. is still too racist and misogynistic to elect a female POC for president. But to her credit, she didn’t run on that. And going back to the first sentence in the OP, it is more important to defeat the GOP with the best candidate possible than trying to elect the “first woman president.”
@LSLGuy , the fact that Orangeboy was EVER a tough candidate is something that astounds me.
Going on The View, she was boring. No real new ideas, only continuing the Biden ones, which didn’t seem inspiring.
Going on Rogan may have boosted results, but still not a victory.
Granted, she had about 107 days to get out there?
I feel if Biden announced his non-campaign for 2024 a year earlier, it would’ve been much more of a better campaign.
I’m not excited about the prospect of another Kamala run. But I’m not exactly against Kamala running, as long as there’s a good primary process for her to hurdle through, so she can sharpen herself prior to the general election. She was saddled with the “incumbency” and a quick turnaround when Biden got out, and I thought she did well in a very challenging environment, but it wasn’t enough. She wasn’t given enough time to fully identify herself to the public. And she had trouble breaking through.
Having said that, the most important thing is that Dems spend the next few years building up the party at the local & state levels…and that they build a propaganda arm that can fight on equal footing with the right-wing bullshit-o-sphere. Without those things, especially the propaganda arm, I’m not sure if it will matter who the Dems put up against the next Pub. We need to be able to speak to more voters in this country, many of whom seem to be walled off from the Dems.
No. I hate to say it, but I don’t think the Democrats should run a woman candidate unless she is a once-in-a-generation level political talent, like Obama. That’s what you need to overcome the headwinds of misogyny. Kamala Harris just isn’t on that level. AOC may be (and I will be 100% behind AOC if she runs and is still a serious contender by the time my state’s primary rolls around).
This. Until we can talk to anyone (ideally everyone) who’s not already in our choir so to speak we will lose. 100% of the time.
We must break the stranglehold of RW fact-free propaganda. After that win we can start to discuss niceties like “What are our policies?” and “Who should we run for local judge or dog catcher?”
Until we have defeated the forces of RW propaganda, nothing, and I mean nothing, else matters.
I think she would have been a decent president. She was not a good candidate. I suspect it will be an uphill battle for whoever is the candidate. Biden navigated us through inflation. Trump will reap the rewards of a good economy. The full effect of the Trump economy won’t be felt right away. Whoever the candidate is they shouldn’t have a loser aura around them. She probably would have an advantage in the primaries due to name recognition but I am not confident of a victory in November
I’m shocked to see so little support for Kamala in sdmb as the democrat contender in 2028. I feel she will do really well…just my gut feeling. Perhaps I am a bit biased as she is a woman of color and I would soo much like to see her as the first woman president.
I’m not seeing it. What assets will Harris bring to a campaign in 2028 that she didn’t have in 2024?
And the 2028 campaign will probably be harder for the next Democratic candidate. The Republicans won this election with an anchor tied around their leg, which won’t be the case in four years.
If Harris is the Democratic nominee, I’ll donate money to her and vote for her.
But you need to have an element of realism in politics. Having a candidate who can beat the Republicans is more important than having a candidate who makes you feel good.
Don’t you think the experience gained of running against a candidate like Trump matters ? I think it does
Plenty of people dismissed experience running against Trump when it was a choice of Biden stepping aside for Harris.
I feel she can win. This November inflation and border issues derailed her…she will not have to deal with those issues (as she will not be a ruling party nominee) in 2028.
She could have won this November were it not for kitchen table inflation and border issues.
Not nearly as much as being able to attract undecided / unaffiliated voters.
I think she would have been a good president, but as has already been noted: