Frustrated Mom Shaves Son's Head: Cruel Or Appropriate?

Well in order to effectively “punish,” a parent must take away something of value - a privilege or a material item, generally. My parents would punish me by taking my books away, because I loved to read so much. My son would be indiferent to that punishment - he hates to read. If this mom has exhausted all other items and privileges of value to her son, yet he has a glowing mane of hair which is his pride and joy - upon which he spends heaps of time doing maintainence which should better be spent studying, then yeah, I guess I can see the torturous logic.

But I guess what I’m saying is that not doing homework and lying about it isn’t *always *a transgression that requires “punishment” per se. Rather, it requires greater parental involvement and teaching good study skills. These will indeed FEEL like a punishment to an 11 year old, but that’s merely a bonus.

There’s no way for us to know (on the facts given) if this was a punishment in lieu of trying to help the kid. Maybe she’d already been through the conferences, assignment books, helping-with-homework gamut and the kid still wasn’t doing it (or as is sometimes the case, DOING it with the mom watching and then just failing to actually turn it in - before someone says this doesn’t happen, this was precisely what my youngest brother did. Drove my mother to distraction.)

It sounds like the mom was already taking away privileges as a punishment for the kid’s misbehavior. I can see desperation driving her to try something slightly different.

I’d like to point out that the kid is 10 or 11. Old enough to fully understand (if so told) that the hairdo is punishment for the misdeed. Kids that age are more than capable of making the link from “out-of-the-norm punishment” to “misbehavior” if it’s pointed out to them at the time of punishment - PARTICULARLY when they were warned in advance that misbehavior would = punishment.

It’s a little weird, but I wouldn’t call it abusive. I won’t even go as far as impugning the mom’s parenting skills and ability (as some have done) without having some more knowledge of the backstory here. I’d class it in the same realm as taking away a treasured possession or privilege (say use of makeup for a girl child if you want an analogy) as a result of misbehavior. No physical harm, hair grows back, and embarassment is a powerful educational tool.

Heh. Hallboy went to visit Hallgirls for the weekend and called me that Saturday night. I was out with friends. “Can I dye my hair?” he asked. “What color?” I asked, more out of curiousity than anything else. “Green,” Hallboy said. “Sure,” I replied. And we hung up. Friends commented on the briefness of the call, so I related it to them. They were horrified. “It’s only hair,” I replied.

That being said, it was Hallboy’s hair, and Hallboy’s decision (he decided not to dye it green afterall–and yeah, I was slightly disappointed). Shaving his head as a punishment? No way–that just makes me look like a nutcase.

Contrary to popular belief, it’s fairly common for 4th and 5th graders not to do their homework, and to weasel out of it any way they can (and, yeah, sometimes this includes lying). Unless I see it completed, I assume that Hallboy (5th grade) hasn’t done it, even if he’s told me otherwise. When it’s done at home, it’s done at the kitchen table as I fix dinner. When it’s completed at school, it’s signed off by the teacher.

Humiliation as a form of punishment sucks. The only thing it actually fosters is a need for revenge. I think the mom should get her head on straight and find out what’s going on with the kid. If there’s fork poking and other stupid behavior, she needs to get a handle on it before it become more severe. I’d guarentee that shaving a head ain’t gonna fix it.

Agreed. Totally.

I’m with the mom on this one.

Me too. It’s entirely possible that she’s tried everything she can to make the kid do his work. It’s not like she’s lashing him with a whip fer chrissakes. And it’s her prerogative to do what she can to make him behave.

I’m imagining a scenario where she’s repeatedly warned him and he’s ignored her so she decided to make good on her warnings. It’s kind of a weird punishment, but I’m pretty sure CPS has their hands full with real child abuse to bother with this silly thing.

I’m on the mom’s side, too, as long as she has indeed tried other things besides punishment. But this ain’t gonna work, and it’s going to be a long time before he trusts her again. And, yes, I know he has to earn trust, too, but he’s not nearly an adult. If he was pulling this kind of crap at 14 or 15, I’m might feel differently. But 10 years old is still a little kid.

I’m on the side of the mother on this one as well. My mother threatened to shave my head at one point when I was in early high school, about age 11 or 12(when I was still shorter than her and didn’t have any friends’ houses to run away to). Just the idle threat did make me buckle down for a period of time, because the humiliation aspect of it was serious to me.

Quite frankly, shaving the head is harmless and if he learnt the idea that she’s not fooling around from it then it’s a good thing. I’m surprised there’s not more support for her using this course of action, rather than the more traditional hiding with a belt or a wooden spoon.

My husband worked with abused children and I heard about a lot of wild assed attempts at discipline. While this punishment is not quite up there with cooking and feeding the boy his pet hamster, it does share some key features: it does not directly address the issue, it is sudden and arbitrary, it is not reversible (the hair will grow back, the humilation of having to show up at school shorn will not) , it serves to emphasize the physical power held over the child. This kind of thing builds resentment and hate and instills a fear and resentment of authority. It also teaches the lesson that people in authority can get away with doing crazy humiliating shit. It does nothing to address the issues.

Whynot gave an example of what could have been done to actually address the problem. Yes, it is time consuming and tedious, but it directly addresses the issue. Having a parent dog your steps each day is punishment but a reasonable one. The final reward of being trusted to take care of your assignments and not be harrassed over them is sweet indeed and teaches important habits.

Unless she had said “look, no punishment is working, I take away toys and games and time with your friends and you still lie and refuse to do your homework. If it happens again, I’m shaving your head and telling everyone why you can’t be trusted to do what you are asked”

If it was a consequence before hand and he still disobeyed, sure. I don’t know if I agree with it, as hair is just about the least important thing I can think of in my life.

I’m with the mother on this one, but I really don’t think it’ll help. I just can’t see it being anything akin to abuse, when parents forcibly cut their children’s hair all the time, although it’s usually because they won’t care for it or something along those lines.

That said, she needs to get to the bottom of the anti-homework attitude. Perhaps he’s struggling with something or other. I agree with the posters who said that he shouldn’t have a chance to lie about it, as it should be the first priority of the evening. When I was a nanny for two boys [albeit younger than 11; 5 and 7], they came home, had their snack, and the first thing we did was go through the backpacks and take care of homework, permission slips, notes, artwork to be praised, etc. Sure, there was resistance sometimes [“But, Liz, we just GOT HOME FROM SCHOOOOOOOL; we wanna go out and PLAAAAAAAAY”] but it my job to take care of the important things such as schoolwork.

I dunno. I don’t have nor want any kids of my own, so I’m probably not authorized to speak on such.

I find it telling indeed that the I’m-with-mom posters keep repeating that “It’s only hair.” This after being told – but perhaps not wishing to acknowledge – that the kid cried for four hours afterwards.

Besides, I agree with lee:

Ignore this, I submit, and you ignore the child and put his future as a responsible adult that much more in doubt.

See, I have this crazy idea that consequences apply to parents, too, not just kids. I guess I’m out of touch…

I’m utterly astonished at the parents who think this is an appropriate measure for dealing with this issue. Humiliation is sometimes an effective way to prevent a child from repeating an unwanted action, albeit sometimes with negative unintended consequences. I daresay it is never an persuasive method of impelling a child toward a behavior. Having a junior high coach refer to me as a “pussy” and “faggot” in front of the entire class for not being previously conversant with the rules of football didn’t make me aspire to being the team captain; indeed, the very mention of football brings up a sense of revulsion and disgust in my mind.

On top of that is the very capriciousness of the punishment, as others have mentioned. Punishing a child for, say, shoplifting, by making him write a letter of apology and having to volunteer to work off his debt is apropos and relevant; a labor that forces him to acknowledge the wrongness of his actions and understand his transgression in terms of stealing the time and effort that a shopkeeper puts in to run his business. Cutting off the child’s hair because he didn’t turn in his homework and then lied about it is a non-sequitur that harkens to the most hysterical scenes of Mommie Dearest. What’s next; punishing him because he hangs his clothes on wire hangers?

Furthermore, direct punitation ignores the underlying cause of the problem. People almost always have a reason for what they do, even if it is unconscious and often objectively a bad reason. The kid may be suffering from latent depression, or maybe he’s grasping for attention; it could be that he’s frustrated by undiagnosed dyslexia, or suffers from ADD, or that this is just a passive/aggressive manifestation of a power stuggle between neglectful parent and child. There is a reason, a cause for the behavior that needs to be addressed in an affirmative, inquisitive manner, with a goal of correcting the root problem. I direct your attention to [thread=311635]this thread[/thread] by a Doper mom with a similar problem with her son; fortunately, her response and the advice provided to her was far more level-headed and compassionate than what many are suggesting here.

And if the child is, in fact, as “spoiled” as some posters have suggested, then there is only one person to answer for that, and it isn’t the child. Children don’t spoil themselves any more than dogs tie themselves up in the back yard. If this response is characteristic of the mother’s efforts to provide guidance and fructify respect then it is no surprise that the child is lying. You’d lie too if to avoid arbitrary punishments to inconsistant expectations. The OP describes the mother as being intelligent, but from this (admittedly singular) example you couldn’t convince me that she is any more thoughtful than a cow.

This topic cuts to the quick for me; my mother was similarly lubricious in her expectations and mercurial in her punishments for real and imagined transgressions. Not doing the dishes and leaving the kitchen might get a free pass on one day; losing a button off of my shirt might call for a “whupping” and being forced to stay in the garage until bedtime on another. My problems with schoolwork were the flashpoint for long, screaming castigations which had far more to do with her failings in life than my education; the fact that I top-ended standardized tests was, in her analysis evidence of my deliberate perfidy rather than an indication of something amiss emotionally or neurologically. Whatever love and compassion she might of demonstrated was tainted with suspicion that at any moment her temperment might alternate to her Ms. Hyde personality, completely with screaming, untoward accusations of every sin under the sun, and emotional (and occasionally physical) abuse. Needless to say, I have and desire no contact with her in my adult life.

Some have doubted that this act–cutting hair–is really that significant, pointing out that parents are often force their children to submit to a haircut; this makes about as much sense as equivilating pouring peroxide on a cut to lashing a child with a razor strop; certainly, they’re both painful, but in the former case the intent is of protection and concern, the later an expression of anger and frustration. There is in abuse most certainly a factor of intent, just as a sarcastic comment between friends can be taken merely as a humorous jibe or a cutting insult.

I seriously doubt that “Baldy” is going to transform into a stellar student lest he be shorn again, but it wouldn’t suprise me if he were to turn around and apply the same ill logic to the person below him on the social ladder and utilize a similar tactic; that’s how bullying (and that is effectively what this is) perpetuates itself. That the child is himself expressing violence toward others is suggestive of this. If she really wants to fix the problem, she needs to become involved (and involve the son) in the process of discovering the root cause, coming up with a strategy for dealing with the issue, and establishing expectations and metrics. But that might be expecting way too much from the lazy bint who “hopes this hair event will show him she means it when she tells him to do his homework and not get in any more trouble at school.”

Yeah, I’m sure he’s learned his lesson. :rolleyes: But if he hasn’t, what is she going to do next? Heated bobbypins under the fingernails? A tattoo on the forehead bearing the moniker “IDIOT”?

Some people–even good, intelligent people–shouldn’t be parents, especially if they can’t put forth the effort to actually interact with and guide their children.

Stranger

Cutting off the hair is not a trivial act. Look up situations where people have their hair shorn off, entrance in to the military, entrance to some religious orders, entrance into some prisons. I have read many accounts of children being sick and many dwell on the loss of their hair. The hair is lost in these cases either as a result of the illness or treatment, or for sanitary or ease of care issues. I find it significant that the loss of hair can be traumatic enough for special mention in detailing often life threatening illness.

<soft, smarmy, condescending tone>
Why do you hate America, Stranger?

:wink:

I recall, years ago, seeing a documentary about the liberation of France at the end of WWII. Women who were considered to be Nazi sympathisers were paraded publicly and had their heads shaved. Although I was very young and inexperienced I found the footage very uncomfortable to watch. I think that to do it to a member of your own family you would have to be a really sick fuck.

And to concentration camp prisoners. The shave was mentioned by many as a humuliating experience.

Come to think of it, there is a great deal of literary and Biblical symbolism in hair, most notably Sampson, whose strength and virility were tied to his hair, and Rapunzel, whose act of “letting down her hair” was synonymous with intimacy and trust. Other examples abound in literature and history. Certainly, people often express themselves and are judged in how they keep their hair, and is probably the second most referenced physical attribute (after the eyes) mentioned in poetry and romantic literature. As mentioned previously, the reduction of one’s hair is often a rite of sacrifice in joining an order or group, i.e. military, monestary, et cetera. Hair is a good indicator of physical health and well-being, as well.

Yeah, I think it’s safe to say that, in anthrolopogical terms, hair is not just a fuzzy covering on your head. The mother’s apparently spontaneous and spasmodic act of shoring her kid, not 'cause he has lice or cut a foul word into his coiffure, but because he’s doing poorly in school and attempting to conceal the fact, is inchoate and suggestive of deeper issues for the both of them.

Or maybe he’s just a lazy rat bastard of a kid and she’s the posterkind for Toughlove. :rolleyes:

'Cause I’m a table-cloth wearing AK-47 waving commie terrorist who laughs ironically at nearly everything that comes from the pen of Ann Coulter.

What’s your excuse? :wink:

Stranger

Stranger On A Train.

  1. Appropriate? Absolutely. Severe? Yes, indeed. It’s a consequence (shaved head) of the transgressions (further inappropriate behavior at school for not doing homework and lying to his mother about it.) It also doesn’t appear to be abusive or nelectful behavior, so – yeah. That said, the fact that it was appropriate doesn’t mean it will prove effective, but then, I don’t know that it won’t, either. I don’t know the dynamic of this mother or the child. Effective parenting is a highly individual experience anyway. Sometimes, for certain of your darling children, for certain serious transgressons, the punishment simply won’t “stick” without a healthy dose of embarrassment or shame. Revoking privileges is sometimes not enough. No outcome of parenting or discipline has unintended consequences, even under the best circumstances.

  2. The punishment was only partly capricious insofar as I can tell she didn’t tell him, “I’ll cut all your hair off.” But she did warn him something would happen if he got another note. I’m not sold on the idea that every single punishment need be sagely apropos or relevant. Being consistent with some punishment is the real key. Sometimes you don’t have time for all the compassionate punishment stuff that only assumes the existence of underlying problems. Also, the Mommie Dearest allusion is a bit over the top.

  3. Sometimes there is no serious, unattended, underlying problem. Sometimes kids would rather (gasp) skip doing homework and lie to Mom about it-- especially with a few weeks left in the school year. The simplest thing for Mom to do would have been to say, “Let me check your homework.” That said, the kid ought to know his Mom wouldn’t like being lied to, so he’s not off the hook.

  4. I don’t think, if the information we have is accurate, there’s any evidence of this parent handing out arbitrary punishments or having inconsistent expectations.

  5. Heh, My own Mom was a genius at occassionally embarrassing the hell out of me to keep me on my toes. Once, as punishment for our not keeping our rooms clean and “forgetting” to take out the trash, she drove me and my brother to school one morning wearing her housecoat, pink bunny slippers, hairnet and a face covered in Noxema – parked – walked us BOTH to class and gave us each a big kiss which of course left Noxema on the side of our faces. Her rationale? “If you don’t care about how the house looks, why should I care about how I look?” We kept the house much cleaner. I won’t even get into how she used to embarrass me in front of my dates.

  6. I am sorry how you suffered. But you seem to be projecting some of your Mom’s inconsistent behavior onto this women – just as I’m projecting my Mom’s seemingly-insane-but-cleverly-appropriate-and-uterly-effective discipline tactics onto her as well. The truth may lie somewhere in the middle.

  7. That said, shaving a kid’s head doesn’t have to be a humiliating experience and a careful parent can achieve it as punishment without it degenerating into something degrading and dignity-assaulting. A lot depends on how the kid reacts at school. It is significant – the kid cried for four hours --but not not necessarily the whacked out clear cut abuse some of you are claiming it to be.

  8. Agreed this might be bullying. But – hate to say it – many aspects of parenting involve some bullying. Avoid it where you can, employ it where you must.

  9. PEOPLE. Are you all insane? You’re comparing this woman to a Nazi??? Having your head shaved in a situation where your liberties, possessions and families are taken away, your clothes stripped, and you’re thrown in bondage to face almost certain death, medical experimentation and de facto genocide because a political party is convinced you’re subhuman is a whole 'nother order of systematic humiliation than having your head shaved because you got in trouble in school and lied to your Mom. Fuck!

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