Except they have no good reason to think that would work. Certainly Israel has made no promise, not even a conditional one, to remove the settlers under any circumstances.
:dubious: . . . That is . . . a very poorly-thought-out analogy, to put it mildly.
Agreed wholeheartedly. But, again, no reason to think that would work.
Your analogy, then: the U.S. killed civilians in WWII, and the Israelis have killed Palestinian civilians more recently. There’s no difference, so both are right, or both are wrong. Is that your argument?
If so, it’s a type of argument that’s been refuted many times, and I’m not going to bore myself by doing it once more. If not, then please to be more specific in the connection you’re drawing.
Well, yes.
So, were these killings unavoidable? What crucial end was accomplished by these attacks? Please make yourself clear.
“the Pals”?
You know, one of the reasons I stopped reading the Gospel of John is the author’s use of “the Jews,” lumping them all together as if the actions of the worst were characteristic of the entire tribe. It was racist to the core, and once I saw it, I couldn’t unsee it when I read those passages.
Palestinians in general do these things? How do you know?
My point exactly.
Speaking of nonsense, that’s pretty meaningless too. Saying that hetero men, who outnumber gay men something like 20 to 1, commit merely a “vast majority” of any sort of crime committed by males, implies that gay men are still proportionately outperforming their straight brethren.
Boy, we’re really jumping to conclusions today, aren’t we, gobear?
First, you claim that I’m an apologist for terrorism. I’m still trying to figure out what I’d said up to that point in the thread that could possibly justify such an extravagant claim.
Now I apparently hate gay men. Whatever.
Go back and read your words - “RT, you are an apologist for Pal terrorism.” Not “RT, your position here is morally reprehensible,” but “you ARE an apologist for terrorism.” So quit pretending to be all innocent, as you might say.
I’m not particularly bothered by this; I’m just pointing out that your distinction here is bullshit.
It’s actually rather amazing; you just don’t let your utter lack of knowledge stop you from resorting to bombastic bluster.
Well, to be fair it’s also a well-established figure of speech – in the plural or in the collective singular, i.e, “the Jew.” Even Martin Luther King spoke of “the Negro.”
I meant a promise to remove all the settlers, including those between the Green Line and the Wall. The Palestinians might not need that land to live on, but a Palestinian state needs it to thrive. (It does not need East Jerusalem.)
I accidentally a whole Palestine.
That rhymes and scans! 
Could someone briefly convince me that the collateral civilian damage I’ve been reading about due to this attack is worth it?
Worth it to whom?
If it convinces Hamas that they should stop launching rockets, than I’m sure the Israelis will think that it was worth it.
The Israelis aren’t getting what they want by killing. And frankly I have no respect for a government that doesn’t act in the best interests of it’s people. What the Palestinians really want isn’t relevant, they are simply not going to get all of Palestine back. It’s the providence of government then to come to some passable agreement for the betterment of it’s citizens.
There is certainly blood on the hands of Israel, I won’t ever argue different, but the reality of the past 60 years is absolutely clear. Israel will stay, Palestine will not heal, every generation of Palestinians will suffer far more than Israelis until an agreement is reached. The expulsion of all Jews is not an agreement.
Japan didn’t want to surrender during World War II either.
Don’t be an idiot. Worth it to me.
The response is probably dsigned to make enemies of Israel think twice about causing shit in the future. And after that standstill in Lebanon, the army probably feels it needs to strengthen if not return the image of the army as a valid deterrent force.
That Pizzaidf website is back up after being down for a while, because of heavy traffic or general Internet chaos in that area I don’t know. Bookmarked it after it appeared on Weird Earl’s awhile back. The wife and I shall soon be sending some more pizzas to the troops.
Sure. It will also be worth it if it makes gold and silver rain from Heaven. And the odds are about the same.
How would anyone know the value you put on someone else’s lives?
Was the killing in Iraq “worth it”?
How about Afghanistan?
It’s a pretty stupid question, if you have no dog in the fight.
Yes they did. The Israeli proposals at Camp David 2 had Israel withdrawing from the West Bank settlements with the exception of Efrat, Gush Etzion, Ma’ale Edunim and Ariel.
But they did because the emperor told them to.
Palestine has no emperor.
I agree. Especially the part about them being evil. They were just evil Commies on the right side of the war.
Valete,
Vox Imperatoris
ETA: BrainGlutton, are you seriously arguing that the only reason for the surrender of the Japanese people was that he told them to? If he had told them to surrender in 1942, they would have deposed him as a nut.
They wouldn’t have deposed him. The Japanese viewed the Emperor as a god, not as a politician.
They weren’t stupid. If the Emperor had asked them to do things that seemed to them to be obviously insane and harmful to the Japanese Empire, the higher-ups would have gotten rid of him (or at least ignored him in a shogun-like situation). If God tells you to cut off your own balls, then that’s just too bad for God.
ETA: And sure, if it were just one individual told to do something insane, then he might do it out of pressure and “honor”. But if the whole group is receiving intolerable orders, the order-giver is not going to have power for long.
I’m saying that his telling them to surrender made it psychologically possible for them to accept defeat (at a time when they were making ready for a last-ditch defense, the entire adult population, men and women, being drilled – with spears, as there were not enough rifles to go around). But nobody can do that for the Palestinians.