FUCK!!!!!! (long)

Okay, so my buddy and I are sitting around getting drunk and watching For All Mankind which is about the goddamn Apollo program and Man’s first steps (and so far only) on the Moon. I’m sitting here watching this fucking thing thinking to myself that I want to go to the fucking Moon and that the odds of that being possible in my lifetime are so near as nothing to make no odds.

Fuck me, goddamn it! My earliest memories are of the Apollo 17 crew bouncing around on the Moon and the commentator and my brother both saying that this was the last time in the 20th Century that humans would walk on the Moon. Why the hell are we so fucking stupid to think that humanity doesn’t have a place in the stars?

I mean, I thought that I’d be able to buy a ticket to a Lunar colony by now! (Can you believe it? At the age of three I was thinking that the dumbest thing a human being could say was that we’d not have colonies on the moon before the end of the 20th Century!)

Instead, all we’ve got is the ISS, which the mainstream media isn’t bothering to cover in great detail. I believe that our destiny lies in the stars, but I’ll never even be able to reach the fucking Moon!

Why? Because people are so short sighted as to think that space travel is unimportant! Fuckin’ A, if it weren’t for the space program I wouldn’t have a job! But people think that we should strip the money from NASA and use it for helping the goddamn less fortunate, which we don’t really do anyways!

Christ! I work for a satellite phone company and a lot of the people who buy our phones work for charitable organizations. Sat phones enable them to call for help in the middle of the jungle. Sat phones enable them to order more vaccine for the people who would otherwise die from a horrific disease! Sat phones are possible because of the space program, but to too many people its not important!

Fuck me! If you were born after 1950 many of the things you take for granted (plastics, fiber optics, and more shit than I care to think about) were all made possible thanks to the space program! But people think that its unimportant! For Christ’s sake! If it weren’t for NASA we wouldn’t have the goddamn PC or the fucking internet.

Shit, NASA put men on the Moon using computers less powerful than those disposable pocket calculators you can buy at Wal-Mart for next to nothing! And yet, we still can’t think of a way to build a cheap spacecraft which can get the masses into orbit, muchless into a Lunar colony!

I want to know what happens when you have sex in zero G! I want to know what it’s like to have sex in 1/6th gravity! I want to know if I’ll live longer by moving to the Moon! And the way things are going, I’ll never find out, because people are more interested in if Brad Pitt’s screwing his dog than what we can do to get ourselves as a species off-planet!

Yeah, I know that there’s the X-Prize and others trying to get us off-planet, but none of them have the inspirational power which is needed to bitch slap the masses into realizing that we need to do this!

I know that there’s people who say we should get our own house in order before we start trying to move outwards, but let’s face it, we’ve had the potential to get our house in order ever since the beginning of time and we haven’t done it, what makes you think that we’ll ever be able to do it? Yeah, I know, we’re not the savages which first began to walk upright, but even after some of the darkest examples of evil have presented themselves (i.e. Hitler, Stalin, and others of their ilk), we’re still committing mass-murders (Yugoslavia, and lots of other places that probably aren’t being covered in media). Humans are always going to butcher humans. Why should we let that stop us from moving onward and outward? If we don’t expand out into space we will die as a species, I don’t want that to happen.

I totally agree. I have the depressing feeling that mankind won’t lose that primitive set of fear instincts long enough to be truly free and up there in the stars.

Instead of stuck here, fouling our own nest.

I’m definitely losing patience. Amen, Tuckerfan, amen!

I hear ya guy. It griped the hell out of me as well. I doubt my offspring will be able to go either. There just aren’t enough real fans of spaceflight to form a serious voting block. Most people have NO idea how important the space-program was to our life today. Education is needed.

Regards.

Testy.

Hey man, you gotta realize that our waitress is much more indowed than the space progam is for now.

Depressing but too damn true. Fuck, the computer I’m writing this on wouldn’t exist if it wasn’t for the space program.

The biggest space-related news I remember is the Challenger disaster. I was nine. Shit. I want to hear that we’re shipping people back to the moon!

Well, you know… Space Travel isn’t really that important just now. It’s cool and all, and has wide reaching possibilities, but there are so many other things mankind are involved in that have a higher priority.

Like inventing new Reality TV shows.

::Adding Tuckerfan’s name to List of Posters I’m madly in love with::
Working from memory. From a Spaceman’s Lament. [sub]I think that’s title[/sub]

Sigh, now if only I had the $40 million it takes to buy two slots on a Russian rocket.

Over in the “Apollo program or college for everyone?” thread;

http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=84857

"Without having any real cites at hand, I can nonetheless assure you that the intense drive for miniaturization that the moon race propagated is in large part responsible for the huge strides in microelectronics that so many of us benefit from today. Without the space program we might all still be using vacuum tubes by comparison.

A second, and much less recognized effect is how important it was that America incontrovertibly demonstrate to the entire world that our technology had no equal on earth. The string of initial successes that the Soviets enjoyed posed grave implications for many emerging new countries and their choice of political orientation. Because of the iron curtain and information control, the world did not see the significant loss of life and intense industrial pollution that the USSR left in the wake of its space program.

Our landing on the moon remains as a benchmark for all other scientific societies to meet or exceed. So far, none has and it is highly doubtful any single national space program will ever again be able to duplicate such an astounding feat. America’s proving that a nation of “capitalistic wage slaves” could and did outdo the “scientifically planned society” of the Communists served as an enormous lever in who bought arms from what country and thusly how a significant portion of the cold war’s political landscape was configured.

The moon landing program was one of the cheapest and most productive efforts ever undertaken by mankind in all of history. If only for the photos of our fragile blue-green planet floating amongst the stars, it was worth it in spades."

I think this sums up my own feelings on the subject.

Word, Tuckerfan.

::Underlinging Zenster’s name on the list::

We need frontiers for growth. Without new places to go, we stagnate and die. We could probably do more with the oceans also, but not a lot, as you can’t get to far down there without the costs of dealing with the pressure being greater than those of going into space. We should be building colonies on the moon and at LaGrange points, and exploring and possibly eventually terraforming Mars.

I don’t know who originally said this, but I’ve got it on a post-it note on my computer monitor where I can look at it every day:

“When I was a young boy I dreamed about when we would go to the moon. I never thought when I grew up we would be able to go, and choose not to.”

Eric

Oh, and here’s another one:

“It’s unfortunate, but the way the American people are, now that they have developed all of this capability, instead of taking advantage of it, they’ll probably just piss it all away.”

President Lyndon Johnson
speaking about the Apollo Program

Eric

I’m honored. Thanks for making my day!

Well, you’ve been on the list for awhile. I just underlined it again.

The computer you’re using also would not exist without the German submarine campaign of 1939-1944, or without the textile boom of the late 18th century. For that matter, the Apollo rocket would not have been invented when it was had malaria not been such a problem. Inventions are funny things. :slight_smile:

Zenster, I gotta say that I wish I could have expressed my OP as eloquently as you did. Buzz Aldrin and Arthur C. Clarke have both said that if humanity doesn’t bother to get off-planet then it deserves the extinction which will surely follow from such a failure. Personally, I don’t want that to happen (I don’t want to die and intend to keep that from happening if at all possible!). It just galls me that for what the US is going to be spending on such “worthwhile” programs as the National Missile Defense System, we could build another Apollo program and actually do something useful with the money. Instead, we’re going to waste in on building a defense for an attack that will never come. Grrr!!!

While I still hope for some useful spin-off technologies to devolve from the missle defense program, I am at a loss when it comes to explaining why our nation has abdicated it’s pre-eminence in space exploration.

The full benefit of space based materials processing will represent a quantum leap in solid state detector and device properties. The drug research awaiting such microgravity facilities will put our current efforts to shame. The importance of establishing a repository of human life off-planet against the case of a earth crossing asteroid collision is something that should be taken a heck of a lot more seriously, but isn’t. We certainly owe that much to ourselves.

I am deeply grateful for your kind words about my observations. They are the synthesis of many years studying a pet topic. Our race belongs among the stars.

Tuckerfan-
Amen
jya

Tucker any chance you teach Astro 100 at my university? Seriously that sounds about word for word what my prof says all the time in the class and I couldn’t agree with you more.