Fuck the passport offices in Florida, and the State Department

I’m a 32 year old US citizen born in the USA, to 2 US citizens who were born here, to 4 more US citizens who were born here.

I recently applied for a passport so i can leave the United States and visit someone abroad.

In order to apply for a passport, the passport office insisted that the state department needed to see my flight itinerary, which I can obtain after purchasing plane tickets. So the very first step in this process was to book plane tickets, without a passport.

That’s where it begins to get stupid. In order to make those plane tickets affordable to me, I needed to book them for a specific set of dates, convenient to me, a couple months in advance, which should have been plenty of time for the normal passport application process to take place. Thing is, the range they gave me for how long it normally takes included a time frame of 10 weeks. The 10 week mark was just slightly too long. I can’t fly without that passport.

But the passport office at the courthouse told me I could get the process expedited, by using a third party courier, for an additional expense of 180 dollars, on top of the nonrefundable passport application fee of 170 dollars, 25 dollars for a photo ID that meets their size criteria and so on and so forth.

So I do this, so I’ll get it within 3 weeks. The issue here is that these people don’t do business unless you are within 5 weeks from the travel date, so I had to wait… to expedite the process.

Hold on, don’t zone out yet.

They asked for my driver’s license, social security card, and birth certificate, and documents related to my flight, which I provided them. They’re all in perfect order.

So when all is said and done (not) I’m paying about $400 so far for this passport application, but I have met all their requirements.

So I get an email from the passport office in Miami where this application gets sent to find out my application has been put on hold.

Oh dear me, why?

Because my state issued driver’s license is less than a year old, so now I must provide “5 documents over 5 years old” which include photographs of me or dates and signatures, and they must specifically come from this list:

Bolded are things I can do. Grey are things that are literally impossible. Underlined are things that simply don’t exist for me.

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Driver’s license <-----Rejected for being less than a year old.
Learner’s permit <------Because at 32, I’ve got one of those?
School Yearbook photograph <-----Do-able.
US Passport <--------Ummm? This is what I’m applying for, for the first time.
Newspaper articles featuring me from 5 years ago. <-----Nope, they do not exist.

Employment Identification card <-----My employer doesn’t have these
Professional license <-----Also not a thing required for my job
Federal, State, or Municipal ID card <-----Not a thing I have or have ever had. Not impossible for me to have had, I just never had one.
Military ID card <----Not a thing I have or have ever had
Student ID card <-----Not a thing I have or have ever had

Military records <------Not a thing I have or have ever had
Selective service registration card <-----I registered in 2001 but I never obtained a card because I immediately moved, this is technically do-able but it will take too long for me to obtain one.
Union Membership <----- Top 3 pizza chains are McJobs, they will fire you at will if you so much as mention the word union.
Welfare Card <----I work for a living.
Marriage Certificate <-----Not yet. Not impossible for me to have, but sorry, hasn’t happened yet.
Medical records <----Except for traffic accident that occurred less than 5 years ago, no medical records because I never go to the doctor, it’s not affordable.
Children’s birth certificates <-----Not yet
Social Security Card <-----Yes, I already provided you this.
**Traffic Ticket **<------Do-able. Very well, you can have this.
If I was raised abroad, I could also… Nope, born and raised here.

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So that would be five, except:

My driver’s license was rejected. Why? Because it isn’t over a year old.

One issue I have with that, is that it is over a year old. It states it was issued in 2013 right there on the front.

Funny story, the old one was confiscated during a very minor traffic stop, and then I went and had to get another one from the courthouse, which required getting my birth certificate sent to me from the state of my birth, because at the time, other than my social security card, I had no form of legal ID because of that driver’s license being confiscated from me.

That driver’s license has the exact same license number as before, as can be seen on the traffic tickets. Same number. 2013 is the date it was re-issued.

Now, I’m not a fancy math scholar or anything, but late 2015 and January 2013 are more than a year apart.

I even got the nice young lady from the passport office in Miami who is just doing her thankless soul-sucking job to admit on the recorded phone call that there was no Earthly reason why my passport application should have been rejected in the first place.

Yes, the passport office *admits *to me that they screwed up, and I should by all rights have my passport in my hands at this very moment.

But now that the thing has been flagged, I am now required to provide this extra layer of identification to the State Department.

I will point out that they are rejecting my very legal and very non-expired, very same driver’s license which I’ve had since well before 2010, based on the fact that it says the issue date is 2013, which meets their requirements to begin with, but I can prove it meets their 5 year requirement, and they still won’t accept it as a legal form of ID.

I will point out that I’ve already provided them my social security card. Now I need five OTHER forms.

Now here’s the problem. I simply do not have those five other documents. Nope! They do not exist.

If you remove the very valid driver’s license and the social security card, which are both very legal and very readily available proof of who I am, I cannot come up with five additional documents.

What I did do was show them my high school yearbook, and an automobile loan document from 2005 which has my signature on it, and a date, and the entire details of the loan, but that’s not on their approved list.

I also showed them that I have had a bank account since 2007 under my same name, with all the account information they need, the branch I use, and I even have a nice young lady from the bank to have her phone number and business card and signature proving that. In order to provide such evidence on company letterhead and obtain those records since Bank of America only keeps records from the past year at their current bank, I had to pay an extra $30 fee to obtain this record, which is not on their approved list.

I also got my traffic ticket from 2010 which proves my driver’s license has been the same since before then to stamp that, and my other traffic ticket from 2012, officially declaring that these tickets are from the orange county courthouse and are therefore quite valid. But the one from 2012 is not five years old, so it is not on their approved list.

To meet their arbitrary five documents over five years old minimum, I will have to wait one additional year to obtain a passport, because I have a metric crapton of documents from 2011 and later, since that’s when I began renting from an actual apartment complex, and have lots and lots of other records and IDs which are 4 years old. I also have W-2s from 2011 since I was hired in december of 2010 to my current job. But those things are not on their approved list.

Keep in mind the plane tickets I was told I needed to obtain before starting this process cost hundreds of dollars and aren’t refundable.

I’ve spent $1,200 so far attempting to leave the country I was born in legally, and am a citizen of, and I even have the passport office telling me that there is zero reason why I shouldn’t have been approved for a passport in the first place because someone in their office screwed up, but since my application has been flagged, that cannot be undone now, and I must jump through five arbitrary hoops on their approved list.

I can prove my identity beyond all doubt to the satisfaction of literally every other department and branch of government. I can even get the passport office to admit they screwed up, and that I should never have been denied a passport.

But I sit here before you with no passport, $1,200 in the hole, and I am relying on someone from the state department with no name, no address, and no identity I am allowed to know, to approve my passport based on documents which are not on their approved list. Oh, and to get these documents to them before my flight, I’ve had to send two packages overnight-ed to them at a cost of 100 dollars total.

A person who, according to the very nice young lady on the phone with me in the office in Miami, will likely “flip through” my documents looking for any reason to deny me my passport, and not examine them closely to detect the original error.

Someone they will not and cannot be bothered to tell, that my driver’s license is in perfect order, and meets all of their requirements, minimum or otherwise, and it only appears at first glance that it does not, and if they would just spend an extra five seconds examining the traffic ticket enclosed, will prove that.

Did I mention that the person I am trying to leave the country to go be with is my girlfriend? Not that it matters. But it matters to me.

This isn’t a vacation these people are screwing up. I intend to meet her family in her native country and move there on a semi-permanent basis.

These people are interfering with my life and the love of my life, and it is based on their own mistake, and they can still deny me for arbitrary reasons.

I am not a violent man, but nothing has made more violent thoughts erupt in my brain than dealing with these soulless assholes who cannot simply stamp “Approved” on my passport application after they have admitted that I have met all the legal requirements to get a passport before they flagged it inappropriately.

Why must people ignore their own rules when it benefits me, but follow their rules to the exact letter after they’ve already broken them?

If the State Department doesn’t approve this passport, I will do nothing. I’m not the kind of person to commit a crime so egregious that I, ironically enough, end up with my photograph in the paper and a newspaper article written about me.

But had I committed such a crime already, my passport would have been approved.

I should know, I have a guy who is a convicted felon for selling meth whose passport was approved on the first try for only 170 dollars who works with me every single night at my job.

So, again,

Fuck the passport offices in Florida, and fuck the State Department, for not doing your jobs, and not being human beings when you make a mistake.

Call or write to the offices of both of your senators and your member of the House of Representatives and tell them everything.

Just needing your flight information to apply is weird all by itself. You don’t need to have current travel plans to get a passport.

Yes, that does sound weird: you might be planning to drive or take a bus to Canada or Mexico.

I’ve also never heard of photo ID needing to be at least a year old. In many states, drivers licenses and ID cards are only valid for four years max.

Strange.

I thought it was weird too, but that’s what I was told at the courthouse if I wanted to “expedite” this process.

It’s the State of Florida. To find out more about what the State of Florida does to its own people, check out this.

It’s unrelated to my issue, but in a way, it is related. The State of Florida extorts its citizens.

Again, I have to plead “State of Florida”.

This is probably different from your experience elsewhere. The state of Florida is corrupt and run by some of the most evil people on the planet, home of the for-profit prison system filled with debtors.

I lost count of how many additional fees they added on at every step of this process, and every other process I’ve ever had to deal with related to the courthouse and the DMV.

askthepizzaguy, are you sure you’re dealing with the right people? There is no requirement for travel plans to get a passport. There is no way that the picture should cost you $25; most post office’s will take one for like $8.

Also, the fees you listed do not match what the government says it charges: http://travel.state.gov/content/dam/passports/FeeChart/Passport%20Fees%20Chart%202014_TSG.pdf

Here are the steps for obtaining a passport: http://travel.state.gov/content/passports/english/passports/apply.html

Are you going to some sort of weird private pseudo-agency or something?

When I got my first passport, I took pics at a photo booth for $4, took my birth certificate and DL to the Osceola County (FL) courthouse, filled out the paperwork and 4 weeks later I had a passport.

<redacted because I can’t verify this place>

Your story sounds weird, like you got caught up in a scam of some kind.

Wait, you have to actually plan to travel out of the country to get a passport now?

Silly me, I always thought that it was a nice thing to have in case the opportunity and inclination to travel should ever arise simultaneously.

No.

I’m not sure what happened here but it’s not normal.

Unfortunately I am very sure these are the right people.

It started at the Orange County Courthouse, a big ass building in the middle of downtown Orlando. They directed me to these other people by handing me information about them.

So yeah, whatever is going on in my case might be extra-legal, but it originated from the proper authorities at the actual courthouse.

I’m 100 percent dead certain I have the correct people. This isn’t some private trolling and scamming organization, these are the official people and I’ve had communications with their offices in Miami. They have a listed phone number. And I was at the courthouse in person and they directed me to those people.

So if it’s illegal, the official courthouse of the state is actually fully involved.

http://myorangeclerk.com/enu/Pages/additional-services/passports.aspx

New Passport book, Adult, expedited: $170

Yeah, if this wasn’t happening through the official government offices I would suspect it is a scam, but how do I suspect it’s a scam if these are the official government offices?

Basically, if it’s a criminal scam, I can’t take the courthouse to court, now can I?

Fucked every which way. :frowning:

From that link
"Please provide the following:

[ul]
[li]Proof of citizenship (one of the following): [/li][/ul]
Certified copy of your birth certificate* <--------------------I got them a copy of the long form version.

       Certificate of naturalization

[ul]
[li]Proof of identity (one of the following):[/li][/ul]
Valid driver’s license <----------------------It is valid and not expired and this says nothing about the year but still meets the 1 year requirement they tacked on.

        State identification card

[ul]
[li]A passport photo:[/li][/ul]
Recent color photo
Front view
2 inches X 2 inches
The Clerk’s Office can provide a photograph for $10.00" <--------------I did this.
All of this was provided plus a copy of my social security card and flight itinerary.
In any case, I’m royally pissed off. I never should have been denied.

I will echo Lord Feldon and tell you that you need to call your congresscritters. Have all your documentation, including any receipts and emails, etc. ready to show them.

Something is very wrong here.

http://www.mapquest.com/us/florida/business-miami/american-passport-office-272340682

1400 Biscayne Blvd Suite 112, Miami Florida

is where I was told to mail all my documents.

“American Passport Office”

This doesn’t appear to even be an official arm of the state government, but a private enterprise.

I was sent here by the Courthouse:

			                    35 W Pine St Ste 212 
                 Orlando, FL 32801 

“The Passport Office”

.com indicates it is not a .gov and therefore a private enterprise.I was referred here by the people at the Courthouse. The guy behind the desk at the passport office inside the courthouse directed me to these people.

I have emails back and forth with these people and FedEx tracking information on the items I sent to them.

That’s the address I redacted from my post because it was clearly not a government office.

Your congresscritters’ offices should be open in another hour or so… I again urge you to call them; don’t get off the phone until you talk to someone who is actually paying attention to what you’re saying, preferably the Senator or Rep. themselves.

The criminal part of this is that they have been clearly feeding me false information, especially related to the flight that I needed to purchase ahead of time which literally everyone I have spoken to since then has said is wrong.

They have also lied to me repeatedly about exactly what is required by law for me to obtain a passport, and they’ve been doing this so they can collect nonrefundable fees and a vast amount of personal information they could use to steal my identity.

Unless you have some other reason to think this, I doubt they’re trying to steal your identity. It’s not a government agency but there are legitimate businesses that you can pay to expedite passport applications.

They have misrepresented what is required by law to obtain a passport to me from the beginning.

That has to be a criminal offense of some kind.