Fuck you Tony Blair

I’m sure that must be illegal (corpse beating). Let’s try to raise the level of the thread by returning to the issue at hand.

A colleague of mine does read the Telegraph and I saw the shameless pictures of Boris in a bandana. There does seem to be a grass roots Boris for PM movement starting now.

I am not a raving facist that hates Europe. In general I am quite liberal in my worldview, it’s just that in seven years the New Labour project has managed to achieve a level of corruption that took the tories at least fourteen. For this reason alone we need a change.

I’d love someone to explain to me how a grass roots movement is starting for making an unfaithful simpleton Prime Minister. I actually thought he was a comedian doing a schtick on being a politician up to about a year ago, with him being on Have I got News for You and that.

It doesn’t make any sense.

I’m curious - how do you view Labour as corrupt? This is a genuine question, as while I intend to vote for Blair until the Conservatives drop the social dinosaur schtick and find something that resembles a principle, I’m hardly wedded to the New Labour ideals (and even less to old Labour’s). I still don’t think I’d describe any of their failings as due to corruption, though; when I disagree with their actions, they at least seem to be acting in accordance with what they think is right, screwed up though that may be. The main exception I can think of is the Ecclestone saga, and that was years ago. Is there anything in particular that you’re thinking of?

I just mentioned the general view of people in my vicinity. I personally do not advocate Boris being PM.

But in all honesty is he really any worse than a buffoon with a big grin who used to be in a band?

Boris is an intelligent man pretending to be an idiot.

Blair is an idiot pretending to be intelligent.

Labour corruption:

Laskshmi (sp?) Mittal

Bernie Ecclestone

The ongoing pile of sewage that is Mandleson (dodgy loans, dodgy visas etc etc)

Geoffrey Robinsons wallpaper

Prescott’s jags

Lord Ali

The whole sweaty boondoggle and the patronage therein

There is a long list. They are wrong 'uns.

I’m not going to start listing the Tory sleaze list as I fear it may ruin a few hamsters afternoon.

We could just start by naming the ones that actually ended up in prison though :smiley:

owl you have a point about Blair no question but if you get into a sleaze debate and you are on the side of the Tories. You lose every time.
Anyway you boys haven’t the first clue about sleaze. We Paddies are naturals at it. We’ve got a ex-leader who owns an Island, several million € horses, a yacht and god knows what else all on a government salary and pension :rolleyes:

Prison you say? Like Peter Foster you mean?

As I have said before my Missus is a journalist (fluffy stuff for the bint’s pages - but she knows the newsies) and if even 10% of the stuff we get told at dinner parties etc has a grain of truth in it; this mob are worse than the Borgias.

Tony hasn’t got an Island - but he has got a £3.5m house and if he needs an island - he borrows Sir Cliff’s (or Berlusconi’s).

Jeffrey Archer anybody?

Fucks sake. And that dude who auto-asphyxiated himself and was found with an orange crammed up his arse or summat. I WANT YOU TO LEAD MY COUNTRY.

That dude was Stephen Milligan and I was on the selection committee for the Eastleigh Tories who selected him as our candidate.

This was not my finest hour.

Although to be fair, we did ask him about his hobbies and he certainly didn’t mention the fancywanks.

Still at least he didn’t end up on Gaydar in his shreddies.

Oh, and you are aware that Blair’s nickname at Fettes was “Emily”? Nuff said.

Hurrah! Let’s show them Merkins that after six bleedin’ tedious months of Kerry/Bush bashing it’s our turn for stupid-arse political arguments!!!

Boris is a albino freak and Howard is one of the undead. Og help the Tories if this is the best they can do.

We’re still at it ain’t we ?

Were still blaming unions for the lack of profitability and incentives in the UK economy.

Yet Germany (which does have its own problems based upon inflexibility and developing a completely backward nation ie its other half) chose to work with unions, it empowered them, it broke down divides between management and unions, it respeceted experience, it respected industry, it did not poo-poo engineering and vocational training like the upper class academian twits of the elitist British establishment of the 50’s 60’s and 70’s.

Take a look at the UK chemical industry, it worked on the single union model, it had worker representation on boards, it brought the workers along with the new ideas and it became one of our biggest profit earners, especially pharmaceuticals which is very heavily dependant upon consumer confidence, training and investment.

Then look at the rest of British industry, mules led by donkeys is perhaps the best description.

I give it to you again, poor leadership always leads to poor followers, it encourages and teaches the followers bad habits.

Its a struggle to lead effectively, it takes talent and effort, but its what the big boys in the boardroom take the big bucks for, and they did not deliver, and when confidence goes the investment finds somewhere else to go too.

Our most succesful industries have always been those that innovate, invest, train, and include - none of these things can be applied to British management, not then, and hardly even nowadays.

Here is a simple observation on the status of engineers in this country and is indicative of those who contstruct and design things even at a very senior level.

In Germany, if you wish to call yourself an engineer, you are expected to have degree qualifications, preferably to Doctorate and Charter level, but certainly at diploma level and you are expected to have the releveant work experience.
The Germans attatch a certain status to engineers, the senior ones will also be called Herr Doktor.

In the UK there is no nationally agreed standard that we call an engineer, so that we might call the geezer on an oily lathe an ‘engineer’, or a car mechanic an ‘engineer’ when in fact they took no post school education or training whatsoever.
In UK hospitals, to apply for an engineers post you need only have completed your apprenticeship or equivalent and have gained NVQ level 3 or C&G level 3 or ONC.

We have this habit of looking down upon those who do things, but yet hold high regard for the aristos who do sod all, which pretty much sums up the attitude of British leadership over the last 500 oor more years, whith a brief interlude for the industrial revolution.

The UKs performance was exarcerbated by the unions, but it was created and continued to be fed by our complacent leaders and company bosses, its this that is our problem, but its soooooo easy to blame the workers.

That’s cause those who accuse workers are too lazy to address the shite leadership we have endured, they believe the nasty shitey reactionary newspapers instead of actually getting out of their lazy intellectual attitudes and looking and analysing things for themselves.

It’s so easy to read ther Torygraph, or the Times and accept these as information sources unquestioningly, its fucking lazy too, you have more information availabe to you than you have ever had before, and it is so much easier to obtain, use your computor for fucks sake, question the accepted line, look at UK investment performance, look at world trade and recessions, look at oil price rises, analyse why Germany and Japan did so well, see where they are going wrong now, and ask why we are not exploiting their weakness - one things for sure, we cannot blame them for lost trade, nor can we blame the unions, yet our performance is still shite, then look at our R&D investment, look at our education funding, look at our training standards, look at the lack of true competition amongst our young in education.

Use your brain, don’t just trot out the same old shite about ‘the unions’ give us numbers and reasoned analysis, what you’ll find is that the Tory electorate despise you, they hate or are suspicious of innovation and skill, they are not really comfortable with the super competant and want us just to be average, then look at New Labour - there just isn’t all that much differance between them.

We’ve become a nation of averages, slowly sinking into the sea we once ruled.

Kid, you can’t have it both ways. If we created this whole mess, that makes us damned significant. Make your mind up - we’re either of no consequence, or it’s all our fault, but you can’t have both.

I swear you used to get a higher class of provocative wanker in the good old days.

Oh, and Ryan, please stop talking about politics. You’re a fucking embarrasment to the UK’s schooling system. If eejits like you keep spouting your not even partially baked opinions, retards like the OP will really be able to criticise the UK.

Mick Jagger is standing for PM?! :eek:

No, wait, he’s still in a band. Carry on.
PS Paulie, when you become PM may I please rename all the Piccadilly Line stations after Arsenal greats? Thanks.

Oh I forgot about this thread. Hey, I might have a shit education its your fault for electing the retards who reformed it for the worse :smiley:

Unbelievable. Had I only known that what I considered to be a rather innocuous rant would generate so much controversy, I never would have posted. It was a rant folks, not a dissertation on the merits of England.
Nevertheless, clearly I was in the wrong. To that end, I submit the following two apologies.

To Prime Minister Blair:

I wholly and completely retract any and all accusations I made against you. You are clearly a visionary and astute statesmen of the highest caliber. My tirade against you was borne out of an infantile angst and was in no way representative of your outstanding political machinations. I spoke without giving due consideration to the facts at hand and I sincerely apologize.

To the British people:

I apologize for any and all defamatory statements I made against you and your fine country to which many, nay almost all, of the finest human traditions can be ascribed. I was not only mistaken in making such undeserved characterizations of your country and its residents, but also made a bigger mistake for not submitting a retraction even sooner. I apologize unreservedly for any insensitive, belittling, or any other comments which do not hold you in the highest regards that you so richly deserve.

Can we drop this now?
Gary Kumquat:

Yes, it is your fault, and yes you are insignificant… and before everyone starts blowing up… I mean in this regard (i.e. as it pertains to the Middle East conflict). It is, in my incorrect and obviously mistaken opinion that your fine prime minister is using the suffering of a people brought about by his predecessors to make himself look better. Israel does not need to listen to England and Tony Blair does not have any pull with George Bush in this regard. If he did, there would have been more done so far. My whole original point about him bringing this up during a congratulations message to George Bush underlined what I thought to be his disingenuousness.

A thousand apologies me lord. Perhaps one day, with due diligence, I can ascend to your level of wankerdom.

jjimm:

Guilty as charged sir. In fact, I am less than vermin. Do you think you could perhaps find it in your heart of hearts to forgive me for my futile attempts to make a point while simultaneously getting a few folks to hopefully chuckle?

You see, I was trying to give that shitstain on the underwear of humanity a taste of his own medicine. Even after I had clearly stated that I am not an American, he continued to disparage Americans. But as you notice, I did try to refer to him and only people like him (please note the bolded portion of the original quote).

You are absolutely correct and I thank you for taking the time to point it out to me.
Stryfe:

Unbelievable. Tell me where you’re from so I can sit here and denigrate it otherwise you’re a wimp. Get a grip. We’re not talking about me or where I’m from. I was ranting about your esteemed prime minister and his comments. I went too far in my comments and if I fail to give you the ammunition to attack me, then it must be that I am a wimp. Perhaps this is an example of that higher British thinking which lower people such as I fail to grasp.

Oh for fuck’s sake… it was a rant! A rant genius! A fucking rant! “Where’s the intellectual pomposity…” in a rant is like asking where’s the potpourri in a truck stop latrine. Really folks, find a new cause to champion.
Nevertheless, which part of my comments do wish me to provide further back up on?

paulberserker:

No, you don’t.

yojimbo:

I agree completely. I hate that line of thinking too. I was simply trying to feed that shithead the same level of shit he was undeservedly throwing at the Americans.

Quote:(Nietzsche)
So do we get a reply where you state where you’re coming from then?

No, you don’t.

I’ll assume you come from some higher plane of consciousness above us then, arsewipe. At least stand by your OP, instead of backing off like a little bitch. And to call the UK ‘insignificant’ is fucking ridiculous.

And Ms Boods, there’s only so much I can do as PM. In any case, the Piccadilly Line stations are to be renamed after Mortal Kombat characters.

[QUOTE=Nietzsche]
To Prime Minister Blair:

I wholly and completely retract any and all accusations I made against you. You are clearly a visionary and astute statesmen of the highest caliber. My tirade against you was borne out of an infantile angst and was in no way representative of your outstanding political machinations. I spoke without giving due consideration to the facts at hand and I sincerely apologize.

QUOTE]

Thanks for your apology to the British people, but please don’t apologise to Blair, in case you haven’t been reading the recent posts, he’s not exactly popular here.

In many respects I agree with what you said, but just not the way you said it. We no longer have an empire and cannot expect the world to do what we want anymore. I think that Blair wants to Bask in the reflected power of GWB.

I also apologise to you for the wimp remark.

That’s spelt Assnal you know.

I can see it now - “A single to bribed their way into the league, via George Graham’s bungs and Donkey Adam’s jail sentence”

Perry Groves does sound like a place though.

You’ve gota couple of good points here - especially as to the relative standing of “doers” rather than “creatives”. I would agree wholeheatedly.

You also are onto something regarding the German Unions. They are completely different from the British Unions of the 70s as they offer a lot more in the way of social welfare and collective buying for their members, rather than banging on about nuclear free zones and the other wittering of the far left. It would seem that despite losing members in droves the British union movement has yet to get to grips with this.

As to British management - it was dreadful. That is because it was made to be dreadful. Remeber prices and incomes policies? - how can you run a commercial concern in the face of crap like that?

It is no coincidence that the improvements in productivity occured under Thatcher. Nor is a coincidence that under that wanker Blair and the even bigger tosser Brown our level of competitiveness has decreased to lower than Ireland’s (yes Ireland for fuck’s sake).

And yes anyone who only gets their information from the Telegraph and Times (which is pro labour BTW) would get a distorted view. The same applies if you only read the Guardian and watch the BBC.