Fucking Chase and their tautological "Free Checking!"

[QUOTE=Dr. Lao]
Bank of America’s “non-free” checking account options were free if you carried a balance of like $500 dollars. There was a charge if you dropped below that. “Free” checking had no charge as long as the account is not overdrawn. But you still pay for checks.
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Sovereign Bank has “free” checking that has no minimum balance and you pay for your own checks (but I did get a book of starter checks). With direct deposit, you can get “free interest checking”, which gives you free checks, allows you to earn interest, and the fees for using another bank’s ATM or using your ATM/Visa Check Card as a debit card are waived.

As far as I know, all “free checking” means is that there are no fees to have the account itself, regardless of the amount in the account. When I opened the account, Sovereign was the only one of the three big national banks around town to offer accounts with no minimum balance. So, “free” seemed quite the valid descriptor.

[QUOTE=World Eater]
Free checking is often only “free” if the balance is above a certain threshold. Usually $500 bucks or so.
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They quoted me a minimum balance of $15,000 if I wanted free checks. I laughed for almost a minute straight before making sure that the woman was still on the line.

Come on dude, how old are you? Twelve?

I’m 27 and I’ve only ever banked at a small-time credit union and even I know that free checking account != free checks. I’ve never paid a cent to keep my money at my credit union but I do know I have to buy a box of checks every 2 or 3 years. I also know that a “free checking account” means you don’t have to pay a fee to keep your money in the bank. And the fine print should tell you how much money you need to have in the account to keep that deal.

“As long as you keep a balance on the account there is no charge,” doesn’t have anything to do with overdrafts. A negative balance is an overdraft. A balance of $0 is violating the policy of the free account and will cost you a monthly maintenance fee.

Get your head out of your ass and read & comprehend what you are talking about before going all apeshit on the bank. Yes they are kinda scummy and try to scam you but all of the info you need is right there. They pull this shit because it’s easy to scam asswipes like you who don’t understand how stuff works.

I have a giant box of blank checks that I then print myself. I think the checks cost me ten dollars for a few thousand, and I use them for multiple accounts.

And free checking just means that the transactions and accounts are free, not (in most cases) the checks themselves. They also don’t give you envelopes, stamps, or drive you to the post office.

[QUOTE=Leviosaurus]
Fortunately I had left $25 in the checking account of my old credit union in Michigan before I had moved to Seattle. Instead of closing the account I figured, hell, I can keep $25 there forever, it costs me nothing, and if I ever move back it will save me the hassle of opening a new account. Extremely good move on my part - I went to the loan manager there, explained my situation, and they immediately gave me a $500 loan to get me through the rest of the week. (They offered more, in fact.) I’ll never forget what the loan officer told me: “You were with us since you were 16, you knew what we were all about, and you move to Seattle and go to a BANK?!” She said the word “Bank” in a tone which implied the word was synonymous with swine excrement.

I went back home and waited for the bank to send me the second replacement card they promised me on the phone, and you know what? They never sent that one, either. Lesson learned, I joined a Credit Union out here and have never looked back. My new Credit Union may not have as many branches, but the service is much better, as are the rates. She was dead right - Credit Unions are the only way to go. The measure of any organization you frequent is how well they take care of you when you are experiencing a crisis - especially one of their own creation. Banks don’t make the cut.
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I will never put my money in a bank again. I just received a notice from my credit union…since they had an especially good year, I get 50% more interest in my savings account for 2006. The people who had real estate and personal loans got a rebate of 25% on the interest they paid over the year. This is in addition to the more favorable rates that they always offer. They don’t have any branch offices, but the extra money we save is well worth spending an extra 10 minutes driving time every other week or so.

Just another vote for the credit union. I switched twelve years ago and have never looked back.

Let me get this straight. You’re upset because something called a “Free Checking Account” has deceived you by being, in point of fact, a checking account that is free?

Not all bank accounts are automatically free. “Free Checking” is almost always the lowest tier in any bank’s checking hierarchy; higher-end accounts, which offer a greater number of products and services at no charge (such as, say, free check orders) generally have minimum balances or other requirements to avoid a monthly or annual service charge. A lot of people who have these accounts don’t seem to be aware of this; they likely knew it at one time, but because they satisfy the requirements to waive the fee, they’ve never been charged it and have forgotten its existence.

As an example, at my bank, Free Checking gets you a no-minimum-balance, no-monthly-fee account with free Visa CheckCard, online banking and bill pay, unlimited use of the bank’s ATMs at no charge, and unlimited teller transactions (there used to be lower-end accounts that charged you for using the tellers more than twice per month, but those have been phased out). The next step up on the checking ladder gets you one free box of checks per month, a discount on a safety deposit box and discounts on wire transfers, but requires you to have either a minimum account balance of $1,000 or total in-bank assets of $5,000 to avoid a $15/month service charge. Compare these to our high-end checking package, an interest-bearing checking account which gets you two free orders of checks per month, a free safety deposit box, free incoming wire transfers with a heavy discount on outgoing, free dual signature Traveler’s Checks, free cashier’s checks, a top-tier Money Market (high yield savings) account with no service fee, free overdraft protection, and a Gold CheckCard which earns twice the points of a regular CheckCard through the Visa Extras program (which is free). Nice stuff, but you must either maintain a minimum balance of $5,000, have $10,000 total in-bank assets, or have a credit line with a limit of $10,000 or more to avoid a $20 monthly service charge.

We also have other specialty accounts that offer mixtures of the above benefits and other services (i.e. a Student Checking that doesn’t charge a fee for using other bank’s ATMs). If you aren’t happy with your current package, customer service can discuss with you the benefits you’d like, and instantly switch you to a customized banking package that will better your needs while placing you safely within the “green zone” to avoid service charges.

So, no, not all bank accounts are free unless you meet certain conditions, and as services go, you tend to get what you (might) pay for. Call your bank and see if they have a checking package with free check orders – since you say you don’t write many checks, one free box per year ought to do it – that wouldn’t have prohibitively high balance requirements for you. I don’t know Chase’s account structures, but by all rights they should be able to offer you some kind of option.

[QUOTE=Roland Orzabal]
Let me get this straight. You’re upset because something called a “Free Checking Account” has deceived you by being, in point of fact, a checking account that is free?
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No, he’s upset because he already had a free checking account and didn’t know it, because it wasn’t called a “free checking account.” Had he known, he wouldn’t have jumped through the hoops to try and get a “free checking account”. The fact that neither account comes with free checks was the catalyst for phoning the bank and discovering the scam, but not what has him pitting Chase.

However, I’ll submit that you might have fallen ill to merger mania. Chase has been gobbling up banks like Pac-Man on 'roid rage, and juggling hundreds of kinds of checking account agreements they never wrote. If your account was free under another bank’s name and then Chase gobbled it up, they may still be honoring your old “free but not in name” account terms but not advertising it to new Chase customers. (Hence the noted absence on the website.)

Or it might be that Chase is the Devil Incarnate and wants everyone to switch to Direct Deposit without giving them a real incentive to do so, so they put up false bait. Considering that they’ve suddenly started putting 7 day holds on all my deposits despite a flawless banking record, I’m prepared to believe this of the fuckers.

[QUOTE=Roland Orzabal]
The next step up on the checking ladder gets you one free box of checks per month, a discount on a safety deposit box and discounts on wire transfers, but requires you to have either a minimum account balance of $1,000 or total in-bank assets of $5,000 to avoid a $15/month service charge.
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There are people who use a box of checks per month?

[QUOTE=PunditLisa]
Actually, banks went through a phase where they charged for checking accounts. I switched from Huntington Bank to First Star when they did this.

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Right, and some still do. That’s what “Free checking” means- free of monthly service charges and usually free of ATM charges and teller charges.

I hate to say this VCO3, but your lack of experience has caused you to go off an a silly rant.

Why on earth would you assume “Free CheckING” means “Free CheckS”?

[QUOTE=PunditLisa]
There are people who use a box of checks per month?
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What, you don’t pay your rent by spreading it out over 132 checks written out to $7 each?
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[QUOTE=PunditLisa]
There are people who use a box of checks per month?
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Yep. It is rare, but when it does occur, it usually happens with two- or three-owner joint accounts belonging to older folks; they don’t trust check cards and so use paper checks to pay for everything under the sun, up to and including a book of matches at 7-11. I saw one account that had a check clear every week, like clockwork, for $0.72.

Personally, I didn’t think there were that many businesses around that still even accepted paper checks, but some people find a way.

[QUOTE=lowbrass]
Actually, no. It does say there is no monthly service fee if direct deposit is used. It’s not contingent on the balance.
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I wasn’t speaking about your bank in particular, just noting that different banks have different definitions of “free”.

[QUOTE=World Eater]
I wasn’t speaking about your bank in particular, just noting that different banks have different definitions of “free”.
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Can you give an example of a bank that advertises “free checking” where the account actually requires a minimum balance (other than simply non-zero) in order for there not to be a monthly charge? I believe it’s pretty standardized that “free checking” means no minimum balance requirement. Not just my bank - all banks.

[QUOTE=lowbrass]
Can you give an example of a bank that advertises “free checking” where the account actually requires a minimum balance (other than simply non-zero) in order for there not to be a monthly charge? I believe it’s pretty standardized that “free checking” means no minimum balance requirement. Not just my bank - all banks.
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Sure, look up almost any bank. You’ll see that they all have various criteria for satisfying the no fee clause. Direct deposit appears to be a common denominator, but that doesn’t invalidate my above statement that there are different hoops for different banks.

[QUOTE=World Eater]
Sure, look up almost any bank. You’ll see that they all have various criteria for satisfying the no fee clause. Direct deposit appears to be a common denominator, but that doesn’t invalidate my above statement that there are different hoops for different banks.
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Not what you said. I’ll quote you again:

I need a specific example from you of an account that is called “free checking” which actually requires a $500 balance. It is my belief that no such account exists at any bank, but I will gladly defer if you can provide even one example.

[QUOTE=lowbrass]

I need a specific example from you of an account that is called “free checking” which actually requires a $500 balance. It is my belief that no such account exists at any bank, but I will gladly defer if you can provide even one example.
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Not to answer for World Eater but…

See the list of BOA accounts here

See the maintenance fees (under “Rates & Fees” tab) for Regular Checking here ($750-1500).

See the maintenance fees (under “Rates & Fees” tab) for Advantage Checking here

Both of them tout “no monthly maintenance fees if you meet the requirements” The word “free” is in a LOT of places on those pages. You DO have to take a moment to read everything.

[QUOTE=ZipperJJ]
Not to answer for World Eater but…

See the list of BOA accounts here

See the maintenance fees (under “Rates & Fees” tab) for Regular Checking here ($750-1500).

See the maintenance fees (under “Rates & Fees” tab) for Advantage Checking here

Both of them tout “no monthly maintenance fees if you meet the requirements” The word “free” is in a LOT of places on those pages. You DO have to take a moment to read everything.
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And that has exactly nothing to do with what I wrote.

[QUOTE=lowbrass]
I need a specific example from you of an account that is called “free checking” which actually requires a $500 balance. It is my belief that no such account exists at any bank, but I will gladly defer if you can provide even one example.
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[QUOTE=From Citibank EZ checking]

FREE of monthly fees if you use direct deposit OR make two monthly bill payments OR maintain a $1,500 combined average balance
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So I could open a “free” checking account, keep $1499 in my account, and lo and behold, it isn’t free.

Different banks have different conditions and minimum balances, some including $0

What I said was perfectly true.