Fucking 'dogooders' are going to ruin the world.

Can this have even a glimmer of reality? Any truth hiding in this? A sliver of what is to come? Is it that important?

Are we, the people so fucking stupid that we won’t even seriously consider what this says?

With permission, I quote…


This was e-mailed to me by a friend and is maybe one of the best forwards I have ever received. Remember, “Those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it.”

JEM

A HISTORY LESSON

SOME OF YOU ARE NOT OLD ENOUGH TO REMEMBER THAT NEARLY EVERY FAMILY IN AMERICA WAS GROSSLY AFFECTED BY WW II . MOST OF YOU DON’T REMEMBER THE RATIONING OF MEAT, SHOES, GASOLINE, AND SUGAR. NO TIRES FOR OUR AUTOMOBILES, AND A SPEED LIMIT OF 35 MILES AN HOUR ON THE ROAD, NOT TO MENTION, NO NEW AUTOMOBILES. READ THIS AND THINK ABOUT HOW WE WOULD REACT TO BEING TAKEN OVER BY FOREIGNERS IN 2007. This is an EXCELLENT essay. Well thought out and presented. Historical Significance.

Sixty-three years ago, Nazi Germany had overrun almost all of Europe and hammered England to the verge of bankruptcy and defeat. The Nazis had sunk more than 400 British ships in their convoys between England and America taking food and war materials. At that time the US was in an isolationist, pacifist mood, and most Americans wanted nothing to do with the European or the Asian war. Then along came Pearl Harbor on December 7, 1941, and in outrage Congress unanimously declared war on Japan , and the following day on Germany, who had not yet attacked us. It was a dicey thing. We had few allies . France was not an ally, as the Vichy government of France quickly aligned itself with its German occupiers. Germany was certainly not an ally, as Hitler was intent on setting up a Thousand Year Reich in Europe. Japan was not an ally, as it was well on its way to owning and controlling all of Asia.

Together, Japan and Germany had long-range plans of invading Canada and Mexico, as launching pads to get into the United States over our northern and southern borders, after they finished gaining control of Asia and Europe.

America’s only allies then were England, Ireland, Scotland, Canada, Australia, and Russia. That was about it All of Europe, from Norway to Italy (except Russia in the East) was already under the Nazi heel. The US was certainly not prepared for war. The US had drastically downgraded most of its military forces after WW I because of the depression, so that at the outbreak of WW II, Army units were training with broomsticks because they didn’t have guns, and cars with “tank” painted on the doors because they didn’t have real tanks. A huge chunk of our Navy had just been sunk or damaged at Pearl Harbor. Britain had already gone bankrupt, saved only by the donation of $600 million in gold bullion in the Bank of England (that was actually the property of Belgium ) given by Belgium to England to carry on the war when Belgium was overrun by Hitler (a little known fact). Actually, Belgium surrendered on one day, because it was unable to oppose the German invasion, and the! Germans bombed Brussels into rubble the next day just to prove they could.

Britain had already been holding out for two years in the face of staggering losses and the near decimation of its Royal Air Force in the Battle of Britain, and was saved from being overrun by Germany only because Hitler made the mistake of thinking the Brits were a relatively minor threat that could be dealt with later. Hitler, first turned his attention to Russia, in the late summer of 1940 at a time when England was on the verge of collapse.

Ironically, Russia saved America’s butt by putting up a desperate fight for two years, until the US got geared up to begin hammering away at Germany.

Russia lost something like 24,000,000 people in the sieges of Stalingrad and Moscow alone . . . 90% of them from cold and starvation, mostly civilians, but also more than a 1,000,000 soldiers. Had Russia surrendered, Hitler would have been able to focus his entire war effort against the Brits, then America. If that had happened, the Nazis could possibly have won the war.

All of this has been brought out to illustrate that turning points in history are often dicey things. Now, we find ourselves at another one of those key moments in history.

There is a very dangerous minority in Islam that either has, or wants, and may soon have, the ability to deliver small nuclear, biological, or chemical weapons, almost anywhere in the world . The Jihadis, the militant Muslims, are basically Nazis in Kaffiyahs – they believe that Islam, a radically conservative form of Wahhabi Islam, should own and control the Middle East first, then Europe, then the world. To them, all who do not bow to their will of thinking should be killed, enslaved, or subjugated. They want to finish the Holocaust, destroy Israel, and purge the world of Jews. This is their mantra. (goal)

There is also a civil war raging in the Middle East – for the most part not a hot war, but a war of ideas. Islam is having its Inquisition and its Reformation, but it is not yet known which side will win – the Inquisitors, or the Reformationists. If the Inquisition wins, then the Wahhabis, the Jihadis, will control the Middle East, the OPEC oil, and the US , European, and Asian economies.

The techno-industrial economies will be at the mercy of OPEC – not an OPEC dominated by the educated, rational Saudis of today, but an OPEC dominated by the Jihadis. Do you want gas in your car? Do you want heating oil next winter? Do you want the dollar to be worth anything? You had better hope the Jihad, the Muslim Inquisition, loses, and the Islamic Reformation wins.

If the Reformation movement wins, that is, the moderate Muslims who believe that Islam can respect and tolerate other religions, live in peace with the rest of the world, and move out of the 10th century into the 21st, then the troubles in the Middle East will eventually fade away. A moderate and prosperous Middle East will emerge. We have to help the Reformation win, and to do that we have to fight the Inquisition, i.e., the Wahhabi movement, the Jihad, Al Qaeda and the Islamic terrorist movements. We have to do it somewhere. We can’t do it everywhere at once. We have created a focal point for the battle at a time and place of our choosing . . . . . . . . in Iraq . Not in New York , not in London , or Paris or Berlin , but in Iraq, where we are doing two important things.

(1) We deposed Saddam Hussein. Whether Saddam Hussein was directly involved in the 9/11 terrorist attack or not, it is undisputed that Saddam has been actively supporting the terrorist movement for decades. Saddam is a terrorist! Saddam is, or was, a weapon of mass destruction, responsible for the deaths of probably more than a

1,000,000 Iraqis and 2,000,000 Iranians.

(2) We created a battle, a confrontation, a flash point, with Islamic terrorism in Iraq. We have focused the battle. We are killing bad people, and the ones we get there we won’t have to get here. We also have a good shot at creating a democratic, peaceful Iraq, which will be a catalyst for democratic change in the rest of the Middle East, and an outpost for a stabilizing American military presence in the Middle East for as long as it is needed.

WW II, the war with the Japanese and German Nazis, really began with a “whimper” in 1928. It did not begin with Pearl Harbor. It began with the Japanese invasion of China. It was a war for fourteen years before the US joined it. It officially ended in 1945 – a 17 year war – and was followed by another decade of US occupation in Germany and Japan to get those countries reconstructed and running on their own again . . a 27 year war.

WW II cost the United States an amount equal to approximately a full year’s GDP – adjusted for inflation, equal to about $12 trillion dollars. WW II cost America more than 400,000 soldiers killed in action, and nearly 100,000 still missing in action. The Iraq war has, so far, cost the United States about $160,000,000,000, which is roughly what the 9/11 terrorist attack cost New York. It has also cost about

3,000 American lives, which is roughly equivilant to lives that the Jihad killed (within the United States) in the 9/11 terrorist attack .

The cost of not fighting and winning WW II would have been unimaginably greater – a world dominated by Japanese Imperialism and German Nazism . This is not a 60-Minutes TV show, or a 2-hour movie in which everything comes out okay . The real world is not like that. It is messy, uncertain, and sometimes bloody and ugly. It always has been, and probably always will be.

The bottom line is that we will have to deal with Islamic terrorism until we defeat it, whenever that is. It will not go away if we ignore it .

If the US can create a reasonably democratic and stable Iraq, then we have an ally, like England , in the Middle East, a platform, from which we can work to help modernize and moderate the Middle East. The history of the world is the clash between the forces of relative civility and civilization, and the barbarians clamoring at the gates to conquer the world.

The Iraq War is merely another battle in this ancient and never ending war. Now, for the first time ever, the barbarians are about to get nuclear weapons. Unless somebody prevents them from getting them. We have four options:

  1. We can defeat the Jihad now, before it gets nuclear weapons.

  2. We can fight the Jihad later, after it gets nuclear weapons (which may be as early as next year, if Iran’s progress on nuclear weapons is what Iran claims it is).

  3. We can surrender to the Jihad and accept its dominance in the Middle East now; in Europe in the next few years or decades, and ultimately in America.

OR

  1. We can stand down now, and pick up the fight later when the Jihad is more widespread and better armed, perhaps after the Jihad has dominated France and Germany and possibly most of the rest of Europe. It will, of course, be more dangerous, more expensive, and much bloodier. If you oppose this war, I hope you like the idea that your children, or grandchildren, may live in an Islamic America under the Mullahs and the Sharia, an America that resembles Iran today. The history of the world is the history of civilization clashes, cultural clashes. All wars are about ideas, ideas about what society and civilization should be like, and the most determined always win. Those who are willing to be the most ruthless always win . The pacifists always lose, because the anti-pacifists kill them . Remember, perspective is every thing, and America’s schools teach too little history for perspective to be clear, especially in the young American mind.

The Cold War lasted from about 1947 at least until the Berlin Wall came down in 1989; forty-two years!

Europe spent the first half of the 19th century fighting Napoleon, and from 1870 to 1945 fighting Germany!

World War II began in 1928, lasted 17 years, plus a ten year occupation, and the US still has troops in Germany and Japan. World War II resulted in the death of more than 50,000,000 people, maybe more than

100,000,000 people, depending on which estimates you accept.

The US has taken more than 3,000 killed in action in Iraq… The US took more than 4,000 killed in action on the morning of June 6, 1944 , the first day of the Normandy Invasion to rid Europe of Nazi Imperialism.

In WW II the US averaged 2,000 KIA a week – for four years. Most of the individual battles of WW II lost more Americans than the entire Iraq war has done so far.

The stakes are at least as high . . A world dominated by representative governments with civil rights, human rights, and personal freedoms . . or a world dominated by a radical Islamic Wahhabi movement, by the Jihad, under the Mullahs and the Sharia (Islamic law). It’s difficult to understand why the average American does not grasp this. They favor human rights, civil rights, liberty and freedom, but evidently not for Iraqis.

“Peace Activists” always seem to demonstrate here in America , where it’s safe.

Why don’t we see Peace Activist demonstrating in Iran, Syria, Iraq, Sudan, Spain, North Korea, in the places that really need peace activism the most? I’ll tell you why! They would be killed! The liberal mentality is supposed to favor human rights, civil rights, democracy, multiculturalism, diversity, etc., but if the Jihad wins, wherever the Jihad wins, it is the end of civil rights, human rights, democracy, multiculturalism, diversity, etc. Americans who oppose the liberation of Iraq are coming down on the side of their own worst enemy!


Raymond S . Kraft is a writer living in Northern California that has studied the Middle Eastern culture and religion 

Please consider passing along copies of this article to students in high school, college and university as it contains information about the American past that is very meaningful today – history about America that very likely is completely unknown by them (and their instructors, too). By being denied the facts of our history, they are at a decided disadvantage when it comes to reasoning and thinking through the issues of today. They are prime targets for misinformation campaigns beamed at enlisting them in causes and beliefs that are special interest agenda driven.


This fuckin shite scares me… Total bunk, … right???

Ok, but what the hell is a dog ooder?

I think he meant dogo odor.

GusNSpot, apparently your quoted text was too much for the quote tags to handle, resulting in a blank post, so I replaced the tags with dashes to indicate the start and end of the quoted section.

And as for your retardo OP, I knew I was in for a treat when I saw it started with:

And those who try to approach incredibly complex and unique situations with bad analogies and simplistic mottos are doomed to do very stupid things. Egad.

I was struck by the volume of errors and exaggerations in the WWII history before I even got to current times. “…at the outbreak of WW II, Army units were training with broomsticks because they didn’t have guns, and cars with “tank” painted on the doors because they didn’t have real tanks.”

The U.S. armed forces were short of munitions (actually, all parties including the Germans didn’t have enough to meet the demands of war - ever check out the flimsy force of U-boats with which the Nazis initially expected to rule the North Atlantic?) but it’s incorrect that it didn’t have guns or tanks. From this site:

“When Germany invaded western Europe in 1940, the US Army had only 28 new tanks- 18 medium and 10 light- and these were soon to become obsolete, along with some 900 older models on hand. The Army had no heavy tanks and no immediate plans for any. Even more serious than the shortage of tanks was industry’s lack of experience in tank manufacture and limited production facilities. Furthermore, the United States was committed to helping supply its allies. By 1942 American tank production had soared to just under 25,000, almost doubling the combined British and German output for that year. And in 1943, the peak tank production year, the total was 29,497. All in all, from 1940 through 1945, US tank production totaled 88,410.”

So we had a tank force - just not a very good one - and made up for our deficiencies rapidly.

“Britain had already been holding out for two years in the face of staggering losses and the near decimation of its Royal Air Force in the Battle of Britain, and was saved from being overrun by Germany only because Hitler made the mistake of thinking the Brits were a relatively minor threat that could be dealt with later. Hitler, first turned his attention to Russia, in the late summer of 1940 at a time when England was on the verge of collapse.”

Wrong. Britain had hung heavy losses on the Luftwaffe in the air war. Shipping losses in the Atlantic were serious but major steps had been taken to reduce the menace (the Germans’ “Happy Time” for U-boats was in 1940, long before the U.S. entered the war) and the Germans had no viable plan for invading Britain. Hitler turned his attention to Russia largely because he was obsessed with wiping out the evil Slav Commies and establishing “lebensraum”.

“Ironically, Russia saved America’s butt by putting up a desperate fight for two years, until the US got geared up to begin hammering away at Germany.”

Germany had way less chance of inflicting any serious damage on the U.S. during that period than it did of conquering Britain.

“Russia lost something like 24,000,000 people in the sieges of Stalingrad and Moscow alone . . . 90% of them from cold and starvation, mostly civilians, but also more than a 1,000,000 soldiers. Had Russia surrendered, Hitler would have been able to focus his entire war effort against the Brits, then America. If that had happened, the Nazis could possibly have won the war.”

And if your mom had wheels, she’d be a teacart.

“All of this has been brought out to illustrate that turning points in history are often dicey things. Now, we find ourselves at another one of those key moments in history.”

And if we can’t understand history any better than this spewer of glurge does, things won’t turn out as well as WWII.

I cannot recall a case where “tl;dr” has ever been more appropriate.

Whoever wrote that thing is a fucking retard. The answer to your question is no, there is no truth hiding in that ludicrous, race baiting, paranoid screed. A few thousand, radical extremist nutjobs (which are like .001% of all Muslims) are not going to take over America. Relax. You’re going to be fine. The real threat of Islamic extremism tends to be fantastically exaggerated by the US media. The kind of ridiculous, all or nothing, alarmist hysteria exemplified in that inane forward is much more of a threat than a handful of fanatics on the other side of the world.

  1. We take over the world
  2. We round up the idiots
  3. We set the idiots on fire
  4. We have the a nice huge bonfire
  5. Smores!
  6. Maximum enjoyment!

Please don’t. I have enough trouble as it is.

Nah, flaming idiots ruin the taste of s’mores.

Please consider passing along copies of this article to students in high school, college and university as it contains information about the American past that is very meaningful today – history about America that very likely is completely unknown by them (and their instructors, too). By being denied the facts of our history, they are at a decided disadvantage when it comes to reasoning and thinking through the issues of today. They are prime targets for misinformation campaigns beamed at enlisting them in causes and beliefs that are special interest agenda driven.

Like I don’t have enough trouble teaching them the truth, without adding this into the mix?

It’s all good until someone decides they’re “we” and you’re “the idiot.”

You took the words right out of my mouth.

This one is my favorite. You know, if you can send glurge, you can look words up in an online dictionary.

Funny thing about that. Since we invaded Iraq, we suddenly got a whole laundry list of things we need Iran to do. Also, our president has kind of called them “evil” and suggested that if he had his way, we’d invade them, too. So Iran is kind of disinclined to trust us right now, and very inclined to come up with a really good reason for us not to invade them. The best thing for Iran’s nuclear program was our invasion.

Oh and the other difference between WWII and now? The 95% top marginal tax rate. That’s how you know the country’s in danger.

That one is pretty funny. Not only is their definition wrong, they don’t even have the right religion.

Care to expand on that? I don’t understand what you mean (although Google did find a thesis from Harvard that might be fun to read).

Yep, when I want to know the correct way to go on a given subject, I wait for an unattributed, unreferenced anonymous E-mail to drop into my inbox. It’s so much easier than, you know, actually thinking about it.

Whoops, guess I can’t say ‘unattributed’, since the quoted message mentions it to be the work of one Raymond S. Kraft. After a quick search it appears that he is an attorney, in addition to his writing and Middle Eastern Scholar gigs, and the quoted text, which appears to date back to at least sometime in 2006, is all over dozens of right-wing blogs.

As to the OP’s question, well, there certainly are plenty of Americans who seem to be convinced that militant jihadists represent the ‘true’ face of Islam, that said jihadists are all completely insane by definition, that Iran would instantly use a nuclear weapon on a Western target if it had one, and that only overwhelming military force, up to genocide, if necessary, can withstand the terrifying onslaught of these few thousand muslim extremists. With that in mind, Mr. Kraft’s piece is probably a more or less accurate expression of the thoughts of a significant minority in this country. Whether the text’s being included in yet another glurgetastic E-mail forward will sway any large number of people to the anti-muslim Jihad is another question. I tend to doubt it.

Did the Axis really have plans to invade Canada and Mexico? That seems farfetched, unless they were really long-term hopes, for years after they had won the war and established their respective empires. Does it have any basis in fact?

My other big problem is the assertion that Saddam Hussein was a “terrorist” because he used chemical weapons, when that had nothing to do with support of the Islamic extremists we’re talking about here. The whole thing pretty much falls apart when it gets to Saddam and Iraq.