If they’d insulted the food after having dinner at my house, I’d have stood up, announced that in America we don’t rudely insult our hosts, and told them to leave immediately. Assholes.
I go away for a while and this happens…so for the record:
Flang Dang, go fuck yourself, please delete all your previous 71 threads. Your mere presence on this board insults me.
You cannot compare the holocaust to not liking the salmon.
german: “I hate your telvevision shows”
me: FUck you, you annihilated my family.
You can’t hold all accountable for the actions of the past. You punish the responsible, then move on, hate is no longer fashinable. Well I guess you hate all Romans, Greeks, Catholics, Jews, chinese, Japanese, SUmerians, Egyptians…etc…
Fucking moron. I will call you a Deutche bag. GO away.
Gee, I was recently re-united with my european side of the family. The entire family had suffered in the hands of the Nazis duting the war. WHy were we separated from them? I’ll just say it has a lot to do with my grandparents being freed from a concentration camp. I harbor no hate, they harbor no hate, hell some actually live in Germany. GO figure. Why? What spiny Norman said.
Why were a lot of Germans behind the war machine? WHat would you do if someone put a gun to your and your families head and told you that if you didn’t work the factiry, you and your family would be killed or sent to a camp as traitors. That’s what happened to one of my great uncles.
Oh, BTW…
PS…how have I responded to their comments? How have I treated them since? (I can’t help not encountering them, they’re staying next door)
Smothered them with kindness.
Ouch, that’s really another can of worms.
My personal take on this: The neo-nazis have taken that name for shock effect - if they could’ve gotten a raise out of people by naming themselves neo-commies or the Bavarian Illuminati, they would’ve done so. By calling yourself a neo-nazi in Germany, you’re telling the world at large that you’re a BAD dude. They have lead weak-minded people to commit some disgusting crimes, but I can’t imagine them being a political influence at all.
Le Pen and Haider are more worrisome creatures, but let’s not hijack the hijack 
S. Norman
BTW: You’re half Danish ? Pray tell! We might be related or something…
Ehh - the above post is a response to Zenster. Damn work, interfering with my Dope time…
What you’ve got there ponch is some people with just plain bad manners. First rule for a guest anywhere is to be gracious, and not overstay you welcome. First rule for a host, is to tolerate differences between your customs and those of your guests. But I don’t think anyone shoul dput up with insults. If I had people at my house insulting my friends they would be politely introduced to the local motel 6, and our encounters during their stay in the county would be minimal. They would soon get the hint, and change their tune or stop coming over.
Flang, you are Dang stupid. Unless you are ready to present evidence that specific citizens are guilty of murder, drop your nonsence and get a grip. Have you nothing else to motivate yourself?
Coldfire and Spiny Norman, I guess these skin head ass clowns just get alot of press on this side of the pond then. All I know is that if I were a responsible German, I and my neighbors would be there with clue bats when these little schmucks paraded around to give them a little parking lot therapy. Sadly, our media reveals no accounts of these skin head rectal cavities getting the crap beat out of them. You’d figure it would be open season on such a national disgrace.
And to further hijack my own hijack; Spiny Norman my mother was born in Copenhagen and lived through the Nazi occupation. Some of her family members lost their lives during that time. [/hijack]
We now return to our regularly scheduled thread.
PS: Ponch, keep up the good work. You’re doing the right thing. I worked for a German company for six years. Some Germans were nice people and a few were regular sphincters. Just like in the rest of the world.
PPS: Flang Dang, your post was very funny. Wrong, but very funny.
London Calling:
I think that is what has happened with the German tourists I have encountered in Yosemite.
There’s a cultural misunderstanding here. In eastern Europe live music in a restaurant/bar is background noise, just like you would talk over Muzak without thinking about it. Even when the violinist comes right up to your table and starts playing your requests, you still talk through it. Then you tip him and he goes to the next table.
As for the volume of their conversation, maybe they were just trying to hear themselves talk over the music.
Well, your suggested mob justice is not all too common in the US either, I dare say. The average German -who is usually responsible enough- is very law abiding, even in European terms. Public riots happen, but mostly betweem the extremes: skin heads vs. the radical left, et cetera. But normal civilians let the justice system do its work. And they’re very right in doing so. The last thing you want to do is make a bunch of public martyrs out of these racist assholes. It’s precisely the attention they’re looking for. The only way of dealing with this scum is through firm but established justice, and by broadly and publicly ignoring them.
Touche… Coldfire, the system of law is preferable to “mob justice”. It’s just that with Nazis, it seems that a special level of prosecution applies. Similar to finding a scorpion in one’s shoe.
I know, it’s tempting. I would personally like to kick the living shit out of every baldheaded 16 year old brainless fuckwad Sieg-Heiling his way through whitchever country.
But that would merely place me at their level. And frankly, I don’t want to be there.
mmmmmmmmmmmm. Beating up Nazi’s. Ahhh, bring’s back some good memories. I used to hang out with Sharp, and you know, you really do get a certain satisfaction from it. Of course I’m beyond that now, and yes we were thugs, just a better class of thugs. Still didn’t prevent me from laughing when I saw him getting beat up by a roving gang of Hre Krishnas.
Don’t mess with the Hare Krishna’s, them folks is trouble.
Aren’t the Hares nonviolent? Oh well, I guess I can’t make fun of them now. 
Glad to see the Krishnas can take on the only bald pussies Howard Stern doesn’t like. :D:D Getting back to the OP, you’ve found a certifiable bad apple. Most Germans are very law-abiding and they follow rules almost to a fault. Case in point: They will actually pay a tip to use the rest room. Yes, as European Dopers already know outside of some European restrooms is a person (invariably a burly woman) who collects money from people who use the restrooms. Seeing as the restrooms aren’t locked, I don’t think you could induce the average American to do the same. (When I was there, the exchange rate worked to my advantage. In Austria, a 1 Shilling coin looks remarkably like an American nickle. When I was there, 1 Schilling was approxamately 10 cents American. A nickle is five cents American. Result? Half-price restrooms.)
oldscratch: Well, we agree on something. Beating a few cueballs senseless would be fun. But taking them to court and getting rich would be so much more fun. A Montanan did that recently. A link here: Nazis Evicted. Good to know we can always boot them if they get on our nerves.
Sure, it wasn’t as if I thought these German tourists were evil. But their “misunderstanding” of American culture resulted in them disrupting everyone else’s nice evening at this hotel. And we all took that as rude behavior. Why wouldn’t we?
BUT THEY DIDN’T TIP the pianist/singer! The rest of us did, but they didn’t - they just were very loud and disruptive, and cheap!
i’m not going to condemn all germans, but i thought of the germans in this incident as nazis at the time it occurred:
i’m mountain biking on my favorite trail in austin and i flip over going down a steep rock. i land mostly on my left forearm which scrapes up and starts bleeding. after i get myself somewhat together, i drag my bike off on a small side trail to sit on a rock and ice my arm with my still ice-filled ‘camelback’ bladder (water bag you wear like a backpack). while i’m sitting there, bleeding, gritting my teeth, and groaning audibly, a couple of guys sporting racing gear and $2000 bikes lose the trail and find themselves a few feet from me, speaking to each other in german and some broken english and looking around like they’re lost. it’s obvious that i’m in a lot of pain, and for all they know, my arm could be broken and i need medical assistance. they hardly even glance at me, let alone take any steps to see if i’m ok. sweating, and through gritted teeth i say ‘are you trying to find the trail?’, and one of them says ‘yes’. i say ‘it’s back that way about 20 feet and you have to go up the hill’. the other guy says ‘ok’ and they move away from me about 10 feet and continue speaking in german. never once did they show the slightest concern for my condition even though my arm is resting on this bloody water bag. a few minutes later, this wild haired, shirtless, slacker type riding a one speed runs off the trail and comes skidding up to me. he’s obviously confused about where to go, but upon seeing me sitting there he says ‘holy shit dude, are you okay?!’ i’m thinking ‘great. someone gives a crap.’ i tell the guy ‘i will be, thanks.’
so i’m thinking that what the germans were saying was ‘ahh, ze jew iss injured. veddy goot.’
Huh? Just because they were rude enough not to ask about your bleeding arm makes you think they obviously were doing so because of you being a Jew?
What the hell is wrong with some people in this thread??
How would they know zwaldd is jewish anyway? Although it would have been nicer if they had offered you assistance, they might have thought that you had the situation under control. Or maybe they didn’t have sufficient English skills to ask you about. Or they could be jerks…but it’s a long way from being a jerk to being a Nazi.
You know, I’d like to take every person who has thrown the word “Nazi” around so easily to come with me to the Dachau Concentration camp. Somebody needs to show you what a Nazi really is.
I love this thread. Here was me thinking that every nation in the world had spawned its share of rude bastards with attitude problems, but you have shown me that clearly it’s only the Germans. Damn them all, with their neo-nazi youths and overly expensive mountainbikes.
By the way, one of the main characteristics of a Nazi is an excessive belief in both your own nations greatness and the flaws of others.
hey, hey… the ‘jew iss injured’ part was a joke! i know they didn’t know i was jewish. jeez. usually people laugh when i throw that in at the end. never mind.
they were still inconsiderate bastards the likes of which i had never before or since encountered on the bike trail. usually if you’ve stopped somewhere unexpectedly at all, most fellow mountain bikers ask if you’re all right and if you have the tools you need to fix whatever might have caused you to stop. the only people who don’t are those who’ve never been out on the trail before and those folks usually aren’t riding $2000 bikes. the only thing i could chalk their behavior up to was some kind of culture gap. i know i can only judge those two, but that was a pretty serious case of selfish inconsideration.