Just because the government does lie about something, John, doesn’t means it must lie about everything. Especially when the lie and coverup would be an unholy mess of hundreds of thousands of elements in utterly tangled connections across half a world, including both allies and enemies and extending across a half century.
And one of the criteria for selection of the first few classes of astronaut was test pilots/fighter pilots educated as engineers. Cool customers whose jobs included filing a report to the effect of “At 16:32 while crossing 40,000 feet at Mach 0.8 the starboard wing departed. This had an adverse effect on attitude control response.” Who probably had been through a couple hundred hours of debriefing on top of the news conferences and were if anything exhausted.
The stress pill comment, Miller, just so you know, was a quote from 2001 A Space Odyssey, it wasn’t an actual recommendation. Just thought I’d, you know, point that out.
Anyway, you guys are are all entitled to your own beliefs, and if you want to believe that the moon landings happened and it makes you feel good, then that’s your choice. I just find it disturbing to see that so many of you are allowing yourselves to be controlled and manipulated by those whom you obviously admire so much, but then maybe that is the whole problem.
Outa here. It’s been fun. Take care all.
JD
PS: It’s a good thing you didn’t get me started on 9/11 
I’m sure you’re just as forthcoming as you’ve been here.
One can not know everything, so I do not rely on what the government tells me, I rely on groups that for a living do look at what is pseudo science and woo woo:
About that:
Well, sucks to be you, 
too bad that we will not see your jumps though hoops miserably explaining away how is it that groups that do look at pseudo science and woo woo also find how dumb the moon hoax and 9/11 conspiracy theories are. And they are not the only ones that get to ask the experts about what it is the most likely explanation for CTs.
They’d all be faked, dontcha know.
Oh gods, ALL the NASA people were boring. Watching them I would have to remind myself that at least what they were talking about was interesting.
No doubt you’d trot out just as much information as you did here: zero. And, of course, you’d trot out the usual lame accusations with no basis. Good riddance.
I tried to get him started on 9/11. Guess I didn’t bait him well enough. (shouldn’t have included the :D)
Don’t ban him! I wanna hear all about the Sandy Hook hoax and how all the kids are raised by Obama’s relatives in Haiti/Kenya and denied Internet and Captain Crunch due to the formaldehyde in each of the crunch berries.
He’s no different than any bible basher that runs away when we say snakes don’t have legs.
You’ve offered nothing as to why the government would risk a huge secret and scandal rather than just send people to the moon (which is actually possible, if very difficult).
Personally, I don’t believe John Denning actually exists. These posts are just a government conspiracy to make us think he exists.
Note that he hasn’t posted a single fact, just repeated over and over the CT Creed - “I believe…”
There’s no point arguing with someone about his religious beliefs.
This is what made it all worthwhile. Stupid Russians and their pencils. I’m sure they faked their space stuff, too.
As an aside, Buzz Aldrin attended my high school. His address and phone number were listed in the alumni directory. I wonder if he would punch me in the face if I go to his house and tell him John Denning says he’s full of it.
And they do this in order to discredit those who believe in the real conspiracies (big foot, the suppression of perpetual motion machines, and suppression of the truth about aether and phlogiston)! I know this is true because there’s no evidence of it, which proves that the government hides the evidence.
Claimed fact. Because anything he posted as fact would not be, in fact, a fact.
Ahem… To paraphrase Colbert: Facts and reality has a well-known liberal bias.
Let me see if I get John Denning’s argument:
- Rockets did take off into space, but they were unmanned.
- We know those rockets were unmanned because the astronauts were not visibly excited when they talked about the mission to reporters.
- Stanley Kubrick filmed the moon landings.
- We know Kubrick filed the moon landings because he left clues.
- You must be a religious zealot, or a jingoistic fanatic, to believe otherwise.
Well, kids, this seems to be about as airtight as you can get. I’d argue to the contrary, but how can you beat this layer upon layer of historical analysis, scientific rigor, and careful elucidation.
I, for one, no longer believe that any astronauts went to the moon. Mine eyes have seen the light!
Now, JD, can you please tell me why I shouldn’t believe that the twin towers were destroyed by a plane. I’m all ears.
Mine eyes have seen the glory of the coming of the Lord.
He left a hell of a mess!
I know the guy’s not coming back, but goddammit I still want to know how trusting that man went to the Moon (once, in the 1960s, for about 20 minutes) is a factor of control and/or manipulation.
Well, OK, I suppose making people believe man went to the Moon (and back) is, in itself, a manipulation. I just don’t quite see to what end. Unless the Shadow Conspiracy is working off the Underpants Gnomes business model. And even in that case, I’m still not seeing the control part !
Can anyone recommend a good book or two on the science of the Apollo projects? Described at or below college 101 physics?
What kind of calcualtions they had to do hurl a rocket off the rotating earth and catch itself into the moons orbit without hitting or passing the moon? How wide were the margins for error? How correctable was the trajectory if they strayed from the set course?
Hampshire: the math really is pretty easy. The impressive part is that they could update the math in real-time. That takes computers. What’s massively impressive is that they could change the programs around, for Apollo 13, to re-calculate the orbits as everything changed. Drastically.
The equations themselves are a tad beyond high-school algebra…but not all that far beyond. There is a lovely book, “Fundamentals of Astrodynamics” by Mueller, Bate, and White – Dover books – that’s a tad math heavy, but a schlub like me can get right through it without a math degree.
As for accuracy, the plan was broken into parts. They had mid-course corrections, so the math didn’t have to be accurate to twelve decimal places, just “close enough.” Armstrong did the final piloting partly by radar and partly by naked eyes and the seat of his pants.
Also, the math modeling changes from phase to phase. When you’re launching, you pretend the earth does not rotate. When you’re on your way to the moon, you pretend the Moon isn’t moving. This lets you simplify the equations.
(We do the same thing instinctively when driving. You and that big truck might both be going 65 mph, but when you “slowly overtake him” you treat him, in some ways, as stationary.)
You missed the other clues:
[ul][li]Mueller. Obviously an intentional misspelling of Muller from X-Files. And don’t pretend for a minute, not even a second, that program is fiction. That’s what they want you to think.[/li][li]Bate. Another intentional misspelling. The book is just to bait the “sheeple” into believing the nasty evil government.[/li][li]This is “twofer”.[list][*]White. Well you know what that means.[/li][li]Dover. This is alluding to the White Cliffs of Dover.[/ul][/li]Obviously this is reinforcing the fact that the government, the White man’s government, is keeping the Black man down![/list]
Seriously, Trinopus. I’m disappointed that you missed those oh so obvious clues. You’re slipping in your old age, friend. Just a pale shadow of your old self.
Come back John Denning. We need you to ensure power to the people!