Fuckity Fuck - McCain's Going to Win

10% percent, a small minority by any reasonable standard. It must be your Phoenix math that is fucking you up.

Ooh, I can just feel the conservative love.

This is not what you were saying earlier. It appears that now you finally have it right. Did your brain cell divide?

There’s no implication about it; you were wrong. Just another indication of why one should never take economic advice from you, or bother listening to you on economic issues.

As a liberal voter in a mostly conservative Midwestern area, I have had my share of frustration with elections. But I never thought of my conservative neighbors as a group of sheep whose only desire was to frustrate the higher aspirations and superior intellects of those who chose to live on the coasts because they were “better”. I guess I just never appreciated them properly, as I took them as the individual good and bad people that they are. But if their higher goal is to frustrate and outrage the likes of DanBlather and ** Merkwurdigliebe**, then I have to say I’m damn proud of them. Maybe I’ll send them all a thank-you card, or bake them some brownies. Even start attending one of their churches.

Curious to see what you think of this cartoon about double taxation.

I’m pretty sure he isn’t the sort of guy who lets facts get in the way of his opinions.

The problem is not whether I thinlk they’re sheep, it’s how the cynical and well financed campagns of Rove and Co. treat them. The pubs are betting they act dumb (and winning that bet so far) while the dems are still giving them the benefit of the doubt. One more election loss and the dems with find their own triple-G issue (McCain cheated on his wife, he is the Manchurian candidate, he doesn’t go to church, he pisses sitting down) and then everyone will treat the red-staters like sheep.

The campaigns are waged on two levels - the national and the local. Nationally you have the McCain vs. Obama attack ads and all the talking heads on the cable news shows. Locally you have “boots on the ground” offices that get out the vote.

In Indiana right now Obama has something like 30 regional offices. McCain has ZERO. Nada, not a single one. He’s got one guy who doesn’t return reporter’s phone calls.

According to reports, the local republicans are getting a little mift. It appears that McCain believes he can get away with not spending a dime in the state and that all he has to do is be not-Democrat to win Indiana.

This all goes into the “enthusiasm gap” which means nobody comes out to see McCain, and no other republicans running for office want to be seen with with him.
If all politics are indeed local and elections are won on the ground, McCain doesn’t stand a chance.

I don’t quite understand this thread.

I’d like to see Obama win. I think he’d be a watershed moment both as a symbol (of the diversity and inclusion and equality that America likes to natter on about without actually working toward) and as a President (in terms of his platform).

Still, McCain has long been one of my favorite Republicans, and I don’t hold it against him that he’s kowtowing to the bits of the party I don’t like. I suspect that if he wins he’ll end up being the anti-Bush, just in a different sense to Obama. Frankly, I’m happy with any sort of anti-Bush.

Really? You cut out every group I mentioned and you still have 10%? And what the hell is Phoenix math? I’m sure you mean that as some sort of regional insult but A) that makes you look like a douche and B) I didn’t even grow up here. According to your own damn link over 91 million Americans own stock. Just take out the children who aren’t expected to own any and I think you have a number that reflects pretty much everyone who wants to own stock owns it. Now would you please stop doing this through the thread or do I have to go another round with your remedial ass?

You’re not paying attention now, and you haven’t been paying attention all along. You make a statement, I refute it, and then you make an argument completely different from what you originally said. It’s not worth composing a message to someone who either won’t read it or won’t comprehend it.

So if I take the taxed income from my job and open a small business I should be exempt from paying taxes on the income generated by the small business? That’s insane. The income from the small business is new income that is taxed. It is not a second tax on existing income. GCT is a tax on new income, not on income already earned.

Take out the pensioned widows and orphans and the retirement craving sons of labor, and what have you? Entreprenuers, that’s what! The very engine of a benign capitalist society, people who risk their very money as a sacrifice to further the well-being of all of us! These heroes struggle on the front lines of commerce, and ask but a few meagre crumbs of solace! WWJGD? (What would John Galt Do?)

Obama is back up by four.

I hope you are right, but there is no evidence to suggest it. Reasonable reformer rational McCain has been gone for a while.

So people who don’t have a salaried job, but just spend 8 hours a day buying and selling stock, should never pay any income tax at all if they make money?

Relevant book regarding Dem prospects in the South/rural areas/Heartland/Great Flyover. I hope Obama’s campaign managers have read it.

If past performance is any indication of future likelihood, he’d natter on for about 85 interminable pages about how his moral solipsism is superior to stupid things like altruism and compassion.

Funny how poor people just don’t want to own stock. I offered my portfolio to the guy at the entrance ramp to the freeway and he turned it down: “Just too much trouble dude”.

Hell, I own stock; I just never make any money from it. Having few Republican friends, I’m not privy to the really juicy, lucrative insider tips.

Anyone want to help out—spirit of bipartisanship, and all that?

Regarding the OP: there’s only one poll that matters.

All the rest of them are about money. Money from advertising, because poll numbers garner television ratings; money from sponsors who pay polling companies to produce a flood of meaningless numbers; money money money. Elections are big business.