BTW one of the cites from FX reports that:
Ha, that’s what you think. See, it wasn’t a sea wall but instead it was ‘a structure to keep out ocean waves with a vertical difference between normal sea level and increased wave height’, which is totally different!
No, and your lack of cognitive ability is startling. Especially when I mentioned the sea wall, the breakwaters, and provided visual evidence, in the form of video, photos, even a diagram from Tepco.
But, this is no surprise. The true believer simply won’t look at evidence that challenges their beliefs. Which is why stupid disasters like Fukushima happen in the first place.
I will admit, I get a little thrill knowing a few unemployed internet fuckholes are right now pouring over the links I provided, maybe even watching the construction video, looking desperately for some way to not be wrong about this.
Or worse, they are doing this shit while at work. Either way, it’s priceless.
If you are not an internet fuckhole, please ignore this post.
What we see here is just more of the support for FX’s overall view being thrown under the bus by him.
So, to be clear, when you said:
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For anyone who actually cares about facts, and reality, you can see the problem at Fukushima with the tsunami, including a diagram showing the ocean, and the plant, and why there wasn’t even a small tsunami wall in place.
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(My emphasis)
That you did so because you believe, for whatever reason, that tsunamis don’t come from the sea? Or sea walls don’t protect against tsunamis? Or that somehow sea walls and tsunami walls are different things? Or…well, I can’t think of anything else more ridiculous than you’ve already spewed out, to be honest, and my guess is you still don’t comprehend that folks can scroll up and actually see what you’ve written in the past, so all your attempts to spin things to come out different or to make yourself look better than a buffoon are really in vain.
Like I said, if you actually look at the images, the reality of what is there, the idiot commentary becomes funny. Seriously funny.
Do not be afraid to laugh at the ignorant. If they refuse to let go of their ignorance.
Yep, under the bus, or tossed to the sea.
Dude, I’m never afraid to laugh at ignorance, especially on the scale you display. It’s gold I tell you…comedy gold!
Gods, I hope Lev comes back and tries to spin what you are saying to make it seem sane again. THAT would just be the cherry on top of the sundae! Or maybe if Second Stone comes back in to buck you up to continue the fight! Christ, maybe NFBW will pop in to take up the challenge of how sea walls aren’t ‘tsunami walls’ for 20 or so pages of neutron star level density, with perhaps gonzomax making his big come back by joining in the fun and then…the entire board will collapse into a black hole of stupidity and ignorance, with you forming the core of the singularity!
Well, one can dream anyway…
Here is a close up view of one end of the sea wall. you can see a barge docked in this view. As well as the opening (with a floating barrier across it) of the sea wall to the dock and intake area.
This view shows how the intakes are open to the sea.
These images are actually recent, and if you look around you can see the new tsunami wall they are actually building now. Which makes it hard to use google Earth to show what it looked like before.
But there is no doubt the sea wall (which survived the tsunami just fine) was not a tsunami barrier. Neither were the breakwaters.
The your own cites beg to differ… Well, it is then just idiocy to continue to be an absolutist on this, but that is not my problem.
Missed that, I wanted to say that:
When your own cites beg to differ… Well, it is then just idiocy to continue to be an absolutist on this, but that is not my problem.
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The NRC Licensee Event Report? Is that what the phrases “The operating 4160 Volt (V) train that was powering the shutdown cooling system was not affected by the fire” and “Shutdown cooling was powered from the unaffected 4160 V bus” mean?
Or do you mean the Special Inspection Report which states “In summary, during the event on June 7, 2011, the plant remained in a safe and stable shutdown condition.”
None of the reports on the incident mention flooding the containment building.
For the interested, here is the opening of the breakwater, ships enter and leave the port through this opening.
Here is the seawall, it protects the four intake vents, as well as the docks there. Note the opening, so both water and boats can enter the area it protects.
Here isthe other end of the sea wall, it separates the intakes from the outflow.
You used to be able to see the outflow opening in the view above, , but it’s no longer there. Thenew tsunami barrier they are building does show up now.
Are you trolling?
From your own link you just used.
http://www.nrc.gov/info-finder/reactor/fcs/special-oversight.html#event
Seriously?
I checked and it seems the flooding of the containment was prior to the fire/flooding, just part of the refueling.
http://www.wowt.com/news/headlines/Ft_Calhoun_Flood_Defenses_123878599.html?ref=599
Some anti nuke propaganda moron probably took that and made it seem like it was part of the situation. Like it was some emergency move based on the fire and loss of cooling.
In any case, they have refueled there now and after testing all systems they might be allowed to fire the reactor back up. I hope they have fixed the flood vulnerability, but probably not. It cost a lot of money to make a nuclear plant safe.
Consistency is not always a virtue.
One example is being consistently incapable of accepting it when you make a mistake.
Nope. As your source says, there was a “sea wall”, which I have demonstrated only protects a small area from regular wave action. It is not a complete wall protecting the plant, nor does it even prevent ocean water from entering and leaving the protected area.
No, there was no tsunami protection from the sea wall. It is quite open to the sea. Even if it was 20 meters high, the water would have flowed around it and still flooded the plant. Since the water intakes are behind the sea wall, it couldn’t be a barrier to the sea, or there would be no constant supply of cold ocean water to pump through the plant’s turbine rooms.
It’s understandable that you might believe the lies about this, as it certainly has been repeated often enough. But actually looking at the site, you can simply see there was no tsunami barrier, no complete high wall of any height to protect the plant from a tsunami. The plants elevation of 14 meters above high tide was the only protection they had.
The same is true of the sister plant 10 miles down the coast, which also was flooded. That the Fukushima II plant avoided the same fate is a function of it’s topography, not any better defense at the time. Fukushima I is flanked by high cliffs on either side, meaning the tsunami waves (which are more like tides than big waves) were far more destructive, due to the high ground causing the tsunamis to pile up in the low area that the power plant was built on.
Fukushima II has rivers north and south of it, which allowed the tsunamis to cause extreme damage on either side, while sparing the plant the sort of damage we see at Fukushima I. Even so, it is believed the tsunami destroyed at least one reactor there, with radiation leaking into a basement.
But that is another story.
QFT, and I see that FX just wants to deny that in the context it is clear that the sea wall was made to deal with tsunamis. And then his more recent cite also has no trouble calling it a tsunami wall. When one remembers that FX claimed that there was none this once again shows that he is still willing to toss supporters under the bus.
I think TEPCO is well aware of the major mistake they made. This attempt to say they did have a tsunami barrier, it just wan’t high enough, which is a complete fabrication, it’s just trying to save face.
They certainly can’t just admit they didn’t plan, or build, the plant to survive a tsunami. Even though that fact is exceedingly obvious.
The electric switching rooms which were flooded, the fuel tanks which were washed away, the lack of a tsunami barrier, and the complete lack of battery back up in case of complete power loss, it wasn’t just one thing they did wrong.
They just can’t come out and admit it.