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Well, what else do I have to judge them by, other than how they present themselves on the boards? Before you answer that, I acknowledge that content is more important than presentation, but in a case like the OP’s, there isn’t a lot of content there. It’s basically an observation with no citation or factual evidence to support it. It’s just this one guy’s opinion, and I don’t know anything about the guy except that he apparently doesn’t know what the shift key does. Which doesn’t say great things about his perceptiveness, and in turn damages the argument he is trying to make.

That said, once again, I don’t think that either owlofcreamcheese or yourself are stupid or uneducated because of the way you type. I’ve said repeatedly that I think you both are doing yourselves a disservice by not putting the best possible face on your posts. You’ve said a few times that what you’re interested in are people’s ideas. I’m the same way, but when you type the way you do, it makes it measurably more difficult to understand the ideas you are trying to communicate. It’s not impossible, but it takes a lot more effort on my end to follow what you’re trying to say.

Look, once again I make a very clear distinction between people who mangle the English language out of genuine ignorance and honest error, and those who mangle it out of simple apathy.

I admit, my knowledge of adult illiteracy is extremely limited. But proper capitalization (which, once again, is the ONLY thing I’m complaining about here) is a fundamental of written English. Maybe it works different when teaching adults to read, but when teaching children, the distinction between capital and lower case is made before you teach basic reading skills. As such, I find it difficult to believe that anyone who is literate enough to find this website, register, and make a post is actually ignorant of the rules of proper capitalization.

I’d also assume that someone who made the effort to learn how to read as an adult is interested enough in improving themselves that they would welcome constructive criticism, rather than be insulted by it, as you (rather inexplicably) continue to be.

I’m genuinely sorry to hear that. I have a good deal of respect for you, djf750, if only becase you pointed out to me that I’d been spelling the word “business” wrong for my entire adult life. This may sound cheesy, but everytime I type it now, I think of you. I mean that with absolute sincerity. Thanks to you, I’m just the slightest bit smarter than I used to be.

Again, I’m not judging your intelligence, I’m commenting on how you present yourself on the boards. I genuinely try not to judge poster’s intelligence based on their English skills. Other people are not so charitable.

Really? How nice for you. I’ve never had my IQ tested, because it was my mother’s (and, later, my own) opinion that IQ tests are pretty much meaningless, except in measuring how good you are at IQ tests. It’s my understanding that the psychological community tends towards the same conclusion.

“Emotional IQ”? I’m… not familiar with that term. And, I may be misreading you here, but are you saying that you’re emotionally immature? Sorry, I’m just sure what you mean by this.

Well, I disagree that grammar nitpicks are by definition jerkish, making allowances for presentation and context, of course. And I believe that the moderators back me up on that. Or so I intuit, as I’ve never seen anyone banned for pointing out someone else’s grammar errors. To the contrary, I think that this sort of thing is in the true spirit of the boards, which is to foster knowledge and education. Cecil himself is not above taking the occasional potshot at the more egregious mispellers and sloppy typists who write into him.

Some spelling and grammar mistakes will always creep into posts, for a few reasons:

  • Not everyone knows how to spell every English word
  • Typos
  • Not cathing a mistake on preview
  • etc

Deliberately and purposefully not using capitals is an entirely different matter. If thats your posting style, and you’ve always posted that way - well knock yourself out. But to make a concious decision to stop using capitals is just plain silly. By the way, your posts will have less impact and be less respected if you stop using capitals, IMO.

Heh.

yes, it is easier to type and not hit that shift key. but to tell the truth, when pompous assholes like miller come in here with their phony condescending helpful hints, and if it is not against board rules, i choose to not capitalize. i had been capitalizing for quite a while, but no more.

although i will preview and correct my spelling as i stated earlier.

and i will say for the third time, correcting people’s writing style is acting like a jerk which is against the rules here. if you have a problem, don’t read people’s posts or start a pit thread about them. (i’ll bet i’ll regret that)

i am sorry about your eyesight and i hope it does get better soon. you know you can make the writing larger on your browser which may help.

Ha. Well just proves my point. I’m a terrible speller!

You will notice, however, that I actually made some effort to make that post readable.

So, you going to start banning some people, djf? Are you issuing an official warning to me aswell? You forgot to put your moderator hat on!

djf750: I don’t want this to be a pile-on, but I was just wondering why you spend so much time previewing every post (which, admittedly, is a lot more than most people do) but don’t want to capitalize. Is it your style of writing or is this in rebellion against Miller?

Jesus, that really hurts. I’ve been going out of my way to be polite and reasonable with you, and that makes me a pompous asshole? I’m phony and condescending? What the hell have I said to you, in this thread or anywhere else, that warrants shit like that?

So, in order to spite one person, you’re going to deliberately make it more difficult for everyone with poor eyesight, or other reading difficulties, to read your posts? Makes perfect sense to me.

djf750 you are behaving like a spoilt child. Just listen to yourself for a second will you? You’ve stopped using capitals… as REVENGE on Miller? Thats sure what it sound like. Are you serious?

“Well, what else do I have to judge them by, other than how they present themselves on the boards? Before you answer that, I acknowledge that content is more important than presentation, but in a case like the OP’s, there isn’t a lot of content there. It’s basically an observation with no citation or factual evidence to support it. It’s just this one guy’s opinion, and I don’t know anything about the guy except that he apparently doesn’t know what the shift key does. Which doesn’t say great things about his perceptiveness, and in turn damages the argument he is trying to make.”

i guess my whole point is that we could all tear each other’s writing apart here if we really wanted to. i never have any trouble reading posts that aren’t capitalized. i don’t give them much thought. why do you have to judge them at all? judge it by what they are saying, not HOW they said it.

if i received a letter asking me for a job and the writer didn’t use capitalization, it would obviously throw up a red flag, to say the least.

but here on a message board, i don’t even notice it as i am busy reading the post and trying to understand what the writer is trying to convey.

and like i stated earlier , it is the bad spelling that gets to me. (and i catch my own mistakes all the time even after reviewing)

should i start pointing this out to all the posters who spell a word wrong and don’t take the time to preview their reply and use dictionary.com if they are unsure of the spelling?

probably not.

Aw, djf750, you’d been doing so well. I’ve seen so many of your posts where you wrote like an adult: clearly, legibly, dare I say, intelligently? Don’t tell me you’re going to go back to writing like an apathetic teenager.

i preview them to correct my spelling and make sure i made my point coherently and to take out excess words.

you know, to make them easier to read. since i will no longer capitalize and to some people this almost makes a post invisible (not the people with bad eyesight) i will make an extra effort to spell correctly and clean up what i write.

it is funny though that most letters in a post ARE NOT capitalized… oh never mind.

Just wanted to pop back in and say thanks to djf750 for answering my questions. Didn’t mean to start any kind of pile-on. And also, I hope to be resolving the “fautly eyesight” issue in a couple of months, but I appreciate the suggestion IRT making the writing larger on my browser. I’ll have to do that until things improve so I won’t miss any of my required Dope reading.

miller and i go way back. he thinks he is an intellectual and he thinks he is more clever than he really is. and i would bet that he actually could be an interesting good guy if he would drop this bullshit.

now samarm, you made a very bad spelling mistake in this post i qouted.

to me it looks like someone who doesn’t care how they post. i am being serious.

but if we weren’t into all this capitalization BS, i would NEVER correct you and try to embarrass you because you spell poorly.

now i am not sure if i spelled embarrass correctly so i will now go to dictionary.com

i think i got it!

No problem, Hopefool. And for you, and you only, I will capitalize.

I hope it all works out ok for you.

P.S I have a funny feeling Miller is busy at his keyboard and I am about to be hit by a literary air strike that will make the bombing of Iraq seem like 4th of July fireworks.

djf this is too silly for words. I’ve made my position on this clear in my previous posts - read them!

I’m going to stop posting in this thread for now otherwise I’ll end up going in cirlces with you.

Anyway, I don’t see any mileage in arguing over something so petty, so I won’t. :slight_smile:

You still seem unable to make the distinction between honest error and deliberate mistakes. I preview all my posts, and I tend to be a pretty good speller, but I’m not perfect, and mistakes get through. But at least I’m making the effort. What’s your excuse?

I see you are using my first post addressed to you in this thread as justification. I meant it good naturedly, as I had thought we had come to a place of mutual understanding. I guess I was wrong.

And let me also state that I think you are being extremely disingenuous. I said that I thought you were usually clear, legible, and intelligent. You called me pompous, phony, condescending, and an asshole. And it took you the length of the entire first page for you to suddenly decide that my post was so insulting. Somehow, you were able to keep a civil tone with me for your first half dozen posts in this thread. What exactly changed that? And I dare say I was the same to you. In fact, as far back as our first encounter, in this thread, where people were piling on you because of your bizarre obstinacy on this topic, I’ve done nothing but try to be friendly and helpful to you, despite ample provocation to treat you otherwise. I did this because I thought you seemed like an okay guy who could become a valued member of this board.

I guess I was wrong about that, too.

i agree. oh you spelled circles wrong. But you capitalized, so it is ok.

(trying to resist djfs bait… can’t resist)

Spelling errors will always happen by mistake - its only human.

Deliberate grammar errors are avoidable and IMO make posts less readable.

This has got to be the fourth or fifth time this has been mentioned, but you still don’t seem to get it.