Gambling hints

I love blackjack, when I actually get a chance to play it. I count cards and have never walked away down. With counting cards, you don’t win big either as it is more of a calculated thing.

Set a limit that is cast in stone. I consider any money I am going into a casino with as lost. If I lose it all, that is what I expected. If I win some, then I’m happy. Don’t gamble if you’re thinking of cashing out big. Casinos are built on the fact that the odds are always on the house.

There are some very basic card counting methods that, with practice, can become second nature so you don’t get caught (casinos don’t like the tables being turned on them I’m told).

Much of the advice above is good, and I am not a heavy gambler by any means (craps still intimidates me, but I enjoy most other table games).

Since you are going on a CARIBBEAN cruise, why not try playing CARIBBEAN stud poker? Unlike other poker games, you are playing only against the house (kind of like blackjack that way).

First, you put up a bet. Then you and each other player, and the house are all dealt a hand that you all keep secret. If you do not like your hand, you fold and surrender your $5 bet. If you do like your hand, you add an amount to your original bet that is double (in this case, you would put up another $10).

If the house has ‘garbage’ (not even a pair), you win $15. If the dealer has a pair or better and beats you, you lose your $15. If the dealer has a pair or better and you beat them, you will win at least $15, but there is a bonus based on your hand. For example, if you have two pair, you’ll get $30 instead. Three of a kind is $45, etc. up to the big stuff (I had one four-of-a-kind that picked up $150).

We would generally play for an hour or so between the ending of our early dinner and before the beginning of the nightly show. We would also sometimes play for a bit after the show was done. For the week, our net loss (combined) was $100.

Just keep in mind the good advice about having a set amount of money to lose, either per night (preferred) or for the entire trip. If you do it the nightly way, you can ensure that you will have a little stipend to play each night at sea.

Well, if you ask me, encouraging someone to gamble is a little like encouraging someone to smoke. Sure, they may just have a pack or two before deciding that it really is a destructive, stupid habit or form of “entertainment”, but there is also a chance they are starting a negitive pattern of behavior. Don’t kid yourself about the addictive nature of gaming.

You can either learn from your own mistakes or learn from other’s mistakes. The latter is much easier.

The original poster does not gamble now, so I don’t think its a good idea to encourage him to start, thats all. :slight_smile: Plenty of other better things to do on a cruise ship, I would think.

That being said, if you want to gamble, please do it in Nevada. They are widening the road towards my place and the extra money will help! :smiley:


Shut the hell up, Gato, you damn kill-joy!

here’s a Thrillseeker strategy for craps that would be guarenteed to put your adrenelene level on high for as long as you are at the table. Mind you, it does not guarantee winning, but you will have fun.

Bet the minimum on the Pass Line, put max odds (always do that)

watch the dice carefully. If they roll a 6 or 8 3 times in a row. (ex: 6,8,6 or 6,6,8 or 8,6,6…) then bet 25 dollars on the Field.

Chicken option is to yank your winnings (which is in your favor) and wait for another 3 in a row roll of the 6 and 8.

Ballsy option is to let the bet ride one throw. So that would mean that your bet is 50 bucks now. Yank it after you win and wait for another 3 in a row.

Getting a 3 in a row doesnt happen all the time but they do happen. Thats why you bet the Pass Line. If they keep changing shooters, put your minimum bet on the dont Pass Line (with max odds) and wait for the 3 in a row.

get a drink to calm the shaking.

Movies and shows don’t end in ten minutes after you drop your money.

Movies and shows dont have the chance of doubling your money in the same amount of time either…

Okay, here’s a long post which I hope will help some people. This is from another post I made a few years ago. I would have linked the thread, but it looks mangled.

Sam Stone’s Guide To Smart Casino Gambling

Okay, you’re going to Vegas for a vacation. You’re not a professional gambler, and you don’t plan on being one. You’re willing to accept that the house has an edge over you, but you’d like to have a good time, spend as little money as possible while still getting that thrill from the risk, and maximize your chance of actually winning overall while you’re there. So, what can you do to make this all happen? Here are some guidelines:

Know your Games

There are a lot of gambling games in Las Vegas that actually have a very low house percentage. For the best of these games, the player is playing close to even-money against the house. However, there are some real sucker bets in Vegas, and if you get attracted to them you’ll get slaughtered.

There are two ways to look at how good or bad a game is - first, is the percentage of your bet that the house will eventually keep. Some games have a house ‘vig’ as low as .5% of your bet or less, and some can be as high as 30%! The second criterion is speed of the game. When the house as the edge against you, speed kills. The best chance for you to be ‘lucky’ and beat the house comes with the fewest number of plays. The more you play, the less chance you have of winning. And, your cost per hour goes up. Your best chance of beating the house is to find a game with a low percentage, and put your whole trip bankroll on one bet. Win or lose, quit. You’re very close to 50-50 to double your money that way. Trouble is, it’s not much fun to be in Vegas if you lose that first bet. So you want to draw a balance between how much you play and how likely it is to lose. The best way to do that is to find the slowest-playing games that have a low house percentage.

The Worst Games

In terms of the house percentage, the worst games you can play are:

  • Keno (-17% to -34%)

  • The Big Six Wheel (or money wheel)

  • The proposition bets in craps (the hard ways, etc) (-5% to -26%)

  • Roulette (-5.26%)

  • Slot Machines (-1% to -15%)

  • Caribbean Stud (-5.74%)

  • Most other small side games

In terms of speed, the fastest games in the casino are:

  • Slot Machines ( 200 to 400 Plays/hour)

  • Video Poker (200 plays/hr)

  • Craps (up to 200 rolls per hour)

  • Baccarat (150 hands/hour)

  • Blackjack (50-100 hands per hour)

  • Roulette (50 spins per hour)

The Best Games

In terms of house percentage, the best games in the casino are:

  • Blackjack (0% to -.8%)

  • Craps (-.4% to -1.2%)

  • Baccarat (-1.17%(bank) -1.36%(player))

  • Video Poker (.3%(rare) to -1.4%)

It’s no coincidence that the best games from a percentage standpoint also tend to be the fastest. The house can afford to take a smaller percentage if they’re getting many more plays per hour.

The big exceptions here are slot machines and prop bets in craps. They are both the fastest games in the house and have the worst odds.

One more thing: of the games above, only blackjack requires a reasonably sophisticated strategy. To play it inexpensively, you MUST learn basic strategy. There are lots of books around to teach you, and the casino will probably even let you keep a little plastic reference card on the table with you if you forget. Learn the strategy, and don’t deviate from it. Forget streaks, hunches, etc. If hitting a 16 agains a 7 is correct (and it always is for a non-card counter), then always do it. Never take insurance, even if the dealer is ‘due’ for a blackjack or is ‘on a streak’ of blackjacks (neither exist, of course).

If you don’t want to go through the effort of learning the game properly, I suggest you stick with mini baccarat or pass line bets at craps. Contrary to what the other players might tell you (especially the ones frantically writing on their little pads of paper at the Baccarat table), there is NO STRATEGY to these games. It’s essentially a coin flip. Put your money down, cross your fingers. To my way of thinking, that makes them as boring as watching paint dry. But to each his own.

Calculating your Cost of Gambling

So how much money do you need to play in Vegas? To figure out how much the casino will earn from you (if luck evens out), take the size of your bet, multiply it by the house percentage, and multiply that by the number of hands per hour that you’re going to play. For example, let’s say you’re going to play $5 blackjack (.7% house edge), for four hours a day. Here’s what the casinos expect to earn from you:

4 hours X 75 hands/hr X 5 X .70% = $10.50

Ten bucks for a whole afternoon of gambling is pretty cheap. Now let’s look at the worst games. Let’s say you’re going to play dollar slots, one dollar at a time for four hours. Typically, the house take will be something like 3% on machines like this (worse on quarter slots, worse yet on nickel slots). Your cost of gambling:

4 hours X 400 spins X $1 X 3% = $48

So it costs you $48 to play the slots. (the quarter slots aren’t much better - you’re risking 1/4 the money, but the house edge is often 3 or 4 times higher than on the dollar slots). Also, the slot payout includes the longshots, which you are unlikely to hit during a 4 hour period or even a weekend (or a lifetime). The more likely odds you’ll face at the slot machine is probably something like 5-10%.

However, there’s another factor - how much could you lose if you’re really unlucky? Without getting into heavy math, you can roughly figure that in one hour you could lose as much as 50 times what you should. Over 10 hours you could lose as much as 14 or 15 times what you ‘should’ (at 2 standard deviations). So if you’re playing $5 blackjack for 10 hours over a weekend, expect it to cost you about $26.50, but you could lose as much as $425, (or equally likely, win $375). Most of the time you won’t win or lose that much playing $5 blackjack, but winning or losing 200 isn't out of the question. If you plotted the results of 1000 players who just walked out of the casino doing exactly what you did, it would form a bell curve with the median at -26.50, and with 95% of the people being somewhere between down $425 and up $375. The other 5% will be somewhere above and below those numbers. As you can see, you only have to be a little lucky to post a profit over that time.

Let’s look a the worst case: You just saw ‘Hard 8’ at the theatre, and decide to go play craps and bet the hardways just like the pro in the movie. You’re betting $5 at a time, 200 times an hour, at a house advantage of maybe 15%. This fun little game will cost you $150/hr.

So, the difference between the best games (blackjack, $10.50 for four hours) and the worst (prop bets in craps, $600 for four hours) is a factor of sixty! And that’s with the same $5 bet size on both.

Size your trip bankroll

Given this information, figure out what game you want to play, take the total money you want to risk on the trip, and divide it into equal daily amounts. Let’s say you’re willing to risk $1000 on your trip, and you’ll be there for 2 days. Limit yourself to $500 per day for gambling. Based on the info above, you know that you should be playing $5 or $10 bets, and no more. Limit yourself to blackjack, baccarat, and pass line bets in craps. Take your time. If you lose your $500, you’re done for the day. If you win early, feel free to increase your bet sizes a bit if you want (but just a bit). Better yet, pocket the winnings and go buy yourself something nice with it.

If you lose half of your daily bankroll, you might also consider stepping your bet sizes down if you’re not at the table minimums. Remember, you’re in Vegas to have a good time, and that means staying in the game. But don’t be hesitant to just quit gambling at any time and go do something else. Vegas is like freakin’ Disneyland these days.

Going to Vegas on the Cheap

Hotels

When you book a hotel in Vegas, don’t just call and ask for the room rate. When you phone, tell them you want the ‘casino rate’. They’ll connect you to the gaming floor, and you can ask the person you talk to what their requirements are for the casino rate. He’ll tell you that to qualify you’ll have to play at least X hours of a game, betting at least X amount per hand. If you’re willing to do that, you’ll get the casino rate. And it’s a huge difference: At the MGM Grand, the normal rate for a suite is $248/night. The casino rate is $79. The requirements for getting the casino rate aren’t too bad, either. It’s typically something like 4 hours of blackjack a day at at least $10/hand (or equivalent for other games). For a poker player, usually 4-6 hours of play at any limit (even 3-6 or 2-4) will get you the casino rate. Some of the strip hotels have casino rates as low as $49/night. And remember, these are typically four-star hotels that are much, much nicer to stay in than the motel 6.

If they give you the rate, you’re now a preferred guest of the casino, and when you arrive you’ll be able to go through VIP check-in, etc.

Once you’re there, make sure you sign up for any player’s clubs or other special gambler features the casino has. These can shave another percentage off the house edge, and they also give the casino a way of tracking your play to maximize your comps.

Don’t be afraid to ask for comps. You’d be surprised at what you can get, even as a low-limit gambler. If you’ve been playing blackjack for a couple of hours, ask the pit boss for a buffet comp. Even at the low limit tables you might get one. If you’re a big bettor betting $100 a hand or more, you can expect a completely free room, all meals free, show tickets, etc.

If you are planning on going to a show, ask the pit boss for a line pass. This is one of the easiest comps to get because it doesn’t cost the casino anything. What it does is allow you to bypass the lineup and get seated before everyone else. Slide a $20 to the person seating you, and you’ll get front row seats.

When the casino rates you for comps, they’ll track the number of hours you play, and the limits you’re playing. They’re pretty good at this, but you can stretch this a bit by taking long bathroom breaks, betting a bit bigger when the pit boss is watching, etc. When you’re ready to leave, place a few bigger bets, then call the pit boss over and tell him you’re leaving right away and if he recorded your play. He’ll tell you what he’s got you rated for. If it’s higher than it should be, great - you just locked it in. If it’s lower than it should be, you can tell him that he must have missed some of your play because you certainly played longer or bet more than he thought. He may increase your rating just a bit. But don’t overdo it - they’re on to those kinds of tricks mostly.

When you’re ready to check out, don’t assume that you’re only getting the casino rate - You can go to the floorman in the casino and ask him if you can get the whole room comped - you have nothing to lose. He’ll either refuse or say okay, or he may offer to reduce the rate a bit more. Whatever he says, be friendly! Never argue or get huffy. If he says no, politely ask him how much you need to play next time to get the room. The last time my wife and I were in Reno, we were given two buffet comps without asking, just because we were friendly with the staff. We were playing low-limit poker.

Be on the lookout for special offers like ‘match play’ coupons. Some hotels will give you a guest pack consisting of coupons, discounts on show tickets and buffets, etc.

By being smart about comps and room rates, you can get more money back in savings than what the house expects to make from your gambling, which makes the gambling part actually profitable.

Hope this helps!

I heard casinos give free alcohol to patrons. Is this true? I’m going to Las Vegas in a few months for a vacation, and this sounds like a very cheap way to get hammered “Oops I seem to have left all my chips in the hotel room…hmm maybe another Cosmopolitan will jog my memory”

If I remember correctly, MOST casinos will give you free drinks if you are playing the table games. If you are just a slotter, you have to pay for your own drinks. And remember, if you don’t tip the waitress, word gets around rather quickly and the waitresses all suddenly become deaf, dumb and blind in your presence.

You’ll receive free drinks while you’re gambling (You should tip the waitress though). You can have alcohol or regular beverages. Alcohol is gong to dim your sensibility and cause you to be looser with your money than you otherwise might; which is what the casino is hoping for. When I’m in Vegas, I always seem to be dehydrated (funny how deserts will do that) so I use my gambling time to get free bottled water (most of the time :wink: )

I think that’s a bad analogy. Smoking is bad (i.e. unhealthy) for everyone who does it. Gambling would be more like drinking. It’s addictive and destructive for some people but for many it’s nothing more than a harmless, entertaining diversion.

Sam Stone: absolutely great post. Informative, factual, complete. I am quite impressed.

Thanks. I spent far too much time studying gambling, so it’s nice to help people out once in a while and use some of that information.