The only one who doesn’t hate Tyrion is Jaime. Their mother died during Tyrion’s birth; Lord Tywin blames Tyrion for his mother’s death, maybe Cersei does also. Or it could just be vanity, that she doesn’t want her gene-line being intertwined with his.
I think there was something funky in the way Bronn reported it, and that he did something with her, probably on behalf of Tywin, rather than her voluntarily leaving.
Maybe he used to, but he’s clearly now the ultimate sellout. He’ll talk your ears off about what’s right and legal when the conclusion is that he’s the rightful king but there’s nothing Tywin’s done that he wouldn’t do if Melisandre encouraged him to. As I said in the post of mine you quoted, they’re very different people, so you’re preaching to the choir as to the nature of their characters and motivations, but the nature of their evils are identical.
My guess is that Bronn was followed, and Shae was intercepted after she set sail. Tywin’s got her. I think she’ll join Jack Gleeson in looking for new employment soon, Bronn too.
The whole family, except for Jaime, seems to hate Tyrion because he isn’t perfect and killed his mother. I think, although I’m not exactly sure, that she died giving birth to him. So it’s all his fault.
Can anyone explain what Cersei meant to say to Jaime when she was berating him about his being away too long.
I really failed to understand her point. But, was she threatening him somehow? Or was she telling him that some part of their relationship was now over?
Did she mean there was no longer going to be any sex between them? If so, I can’t believe that he would be very upset about that because he could probably find another female to truly love very easily.
Having just seen the episode last night: yay! Good riddance to bad rubbish. And I see no reason to suspect anybody other than Olenna. There was the whole deal with the beads and Tyrion appeared to take the poison wine from right in front of her. She had means and opportunity and you could argue that she had one motive or another, and it might be politically and financially inconvenient for the Lannisters to accuse the Tyrells if they suspect them. I don’t see any motive for Cersei since her one overriding impulse, shaky as she has become, is to love her children because they’re the only thing that’s really hers. And if Oberyn wanted Joffrey dead he’d have just stood up and chopped him in half.
I recall a scene in which Sansa is baffled about Margaery’s seeming to know a lot about sex.
I think someone needs to recut Joffrey’s death scene into a Sunny Delight commercial. Don’t drink the Purple Stuff!
Oh but I bet we’ll miss him now that he’s gone.
Olenna fits timeline-wise but I really don’t see any incentive. She’s out a grip of cash for putting on the wedding, her granddaughter misses out on the throne, and she’s not at any risk of Joffrey’s wrath. If anything, Olenna is pretty much at the very bottom of the suspects list, motives-wise. Even Cersei stands more to gain than Olenna.
It was at that point as a non-book reader that I thought, “Huh, are these two supposed to be the same age?”
Only if it means more torture/torment time for Theon, but at least he’s not on the rack anymore.
Margaery is still available and they’ll need to marry Tommen off to someone. Maybe he’ll be less horrible than Joffrey. The Lannisters are still in their debt, maybe more than ever. And there could be some missing piece we don’t know about. That seems like to me.
Well … didn’t we see some man with special powers that could bring a dead person back to life?
However … I think that for that to work, it requires two or more willing people and I don’t think there are two or more people who would be willing to bring that nasty little shit back to life.
So, my guess would be that Joff is dead and buried and forever more dead.
Really dead and truly dead and dead forever more. Dead. Dead. Dead.
And everybody is happy happy happy that he is dead!
It would be an interesting storyline to have him be not dead bu instead severely injured by the poison, maybe even paralyzed. Would it humanize him or make him even more of an insufferable twit?
But yeah, the king is dead. Long live the king.
They should’ve had Pharrell guest starring instead of Sigur Ros.
In his weakened physical state, have him play Charles to Cersei’s Elizabeth? Cersei is Queen Regnant until baby bro can rule for himself? Snide remarks of the Purple Prince echo in the shadows much like how there are snide remarks about the Imp? I like it, but I doubt it.
I’m going to miss Joffrey. If I’m going to be completely honest, I didn’t especially enjoy the scenes with Robb Stark or his mother so as far as the show goes it didn’t really bother me that they were killed off. But any scene that had Joffrey in it I was glued to the screen. That little punk was definitely entertaining. I think his unpredictable nature with his absolute power made his scenes exciting. I will definitely miss that.
My probablem with Joffrey wasn’t that he was eeevvvilll. We need evil characters. My problem is that whenever he made a big scene in public it was downright cringeworthy. He was like an evil Michael Scott.
Okay-- so bastards in the North take the last name “Snow” and bastards from Dorne take the last name “Sand”…in series have we seen other examples of bastard last names?
Also… Stannis seemed like the only one concerned about the notice from the Castle Black (or rather he was the only one we saw be informed about the trouble north of the wall). Melisandre even said that THAT was the real war… and yet here some weeks later…Stannis and Co. don’t seem too concerned.
At least he spared Davos (my favorite character).
I disagree about Olenna having motive. Margery was marrying Joffrey based upon the arrangement between the QoT and Tywin, an arrangement that would benefit the Lannisters and was attractive to House Tyrell in terms of having their family sharing the throne in ruling Westeros. Naturally that means any children of Joffrey and Margaery would also be their blood on the throne.
Joffrey’s death, assuming no one discovers it was done by the QoT, doesn’t change that. It is still beneficial to the Lannisters to enter into a marriage with House Tyrell. Margery is still ‘technically’ unmarried as the wedding was never consummated. And Tommen is the next in line for the Lannisters. Just as no one publicly questioned Margaery marrying Joffrey even though she was previously married to Renly, for political purposes no one will question her now marrying Tommen. And Tommen will be vastly easier for Margaery and House Tyrell to manipulate/control than Joffrey. For House Tyrell, this is a win-win situation.
I read another review or two that suggest Tywin had some pretty strong motives. Could he and Olenna have made this happen together? If a sane king is good for the Tyrells, it’s also good for Tywin. He doesn’t give a crap about Cersei’s pain, and Tyrio is right there to take the fall.