According to Jaime, the Tyrells are still feeding the realm.
That plan does entail having sex with Joffrey. Which could be construed as a minor drawback.
Especially if he plans to use a gigantic wooden torture-dildo or perhaps some masturbatory human dart practice. You know, like usual.
Well, in terms of the poisoning I’m all about Olenna and Margaery. Those two are way too smart.
I don’t think we have any information on whether widowed-wife-of-previous-king-who-presumably-had-sex-with-him would be for any reason disqualified as wife-of-new-king, at least from a legal standpoint.
As far as whether the Lannisters would want Margaery to marry Tommen, well, all of the leverage that was there before is still there. If the Tyrells take their grain and go home, the capital is still in a terrible shape. So if that alliance made sense before, it makes sense now (as long as the Lannisters don’t think the Tyrells are poisoners).
I’m pretty certain that I recognized the woman who presided over Tryion’s trial by combat in this most recent episode - Joffrey’s Wedding and Assassination (Season 4 Episode 2). She struck me as an extremely bizarre character and I hoped that she would somehow reappear because I expected that whatever her story, it would prove to be very interesting.
Does anyone know what she was doing in this most recent episode and whether we should expect to see her again? I couldn’t follow the plot as it related to her. When I saw her breast feeding her young son (who, at the time, was around the age of 13), she seemed right on the edge of insanity.
Can anyone here explain what she was doing in this most recent episode (Season 4 Episode 2 - The Lion and the Rose)?
I couldn’t follow just what her participation was in this episode and I sure would appreciate anyone’s explanation as to what she was doing.
I think we may just have to agree to disagree. Stannis is imperfect, and he sometimes lets lust (for women or power) overcome his better judgment, but I think that when he’s making a choice of what to do, what is lawful and right is VERY important to him, and usually (if not always) is the deciding factor. For Tywin, those are just words that he manipulates at his whim. If Stannis sent out some underlings to do a mission, and then word came back that those underlings had massacred and raped innocent villagers, Stannis would have them executed immediately. Tywin would be upset with them because they’d been sloppy enough to let word get out.
I think there are a few interesting questions about Stannis and Melisandre and their motivations which are so far unanswered… does Melisandre really believe everything she’s saying? Does she think Stannis is actually the chosen one in her religion? And to what extent does Stannis now buy into that? But I think the show has made it very clear that Stannis is someone who thinks that there is almost always a right and wrong thing to do, and that matters to him and informs his decisions.
(While we’re on the subject of Stannis and who-killed-Joffrey, let’s not forget that Melisandre did some leech magic to kill Robb, Joffrey and Balon. Two of those three are now dead, although it’s pretty clear that if the leech magic was at work, it’s magic that works through intermediaries, not directly.)
That was Catelyn Stark’s sister Lysa Arryn. I didn’t notice her being present at the Joffrey wedding…where was she?
So, remember Catelyn Stark, Ed’s wife, Robb’s mother, recently got her throat slit at the Red Wedding?
She was born Catelyn Tully. She had a sister, Lysa Tully. While they were young, an ambitious young schemer named Baelish (who would grow up to be Littlefinger) had a crush on Cat, and thus presumably knew both sisters.
Lysa married John Arryn, who was a good friend of Ned Stark and Robert Baratheon, and became Lysa Arryn. John Arryn was hand of the king for Robert Baratheon was murdered right before season 1, and the mystery of that murder is what more or less kicked the events of the show into action. Lysa became paranoid that the Lannisters had done it and fled to The Eyrie, which is a mountaintop fortress that is a traditional stronghold of the Arryns, along with her son Robin, who she breastfeeds even though he seems much too old for that.
Back in season 1, when Catelyn arrested Tyrion (for trying to kill Bran), she took him to The Eyrie because it was nearby, heavily fortified, and her sister was there. Her sister turned out to be even loopier than she remembered, Tyrion had a trial by combat, became friends with Bronn (who did the combatting), and then all the main characters left.
We haven’t seen Lysa since then, but when Littlefinger sailed off last season, we were told he was on his way to the Eyrie to marry Lysa and thus assume some noble title or other (I’ve forgotten precisely which one).
Well, I sure do hope I’m not mistaken. But I didn’t see her at the wedding. I saw her (at least I hope it was her) about 22 minutes into the episode immediately following Tyrion saying goodbye to Shae and slapping some cup which fell to the floor.
In the scene to which I refer, someone was burned at the stake. Do you remember that scene? I couldn’t follow anything that happened there. I don’t know the name of the man burned at the stake or what his role was in the story.
I’d imagine this has been mentioned but you’ll forgive me for not wading through the thread:
It is important to remember, Margaery and Oleanna know just what kind of a monster Joffery is and that no one, especially not Margaery, would be safe with him for long.
I thank you very much Max. I remembered most of those facts once I saw them in writing. However, I doubt that I would have remembered them if it wasn’t for you nice recap. Very succinct and to the point without any rambling.
But, now can you tell me what she was doing at that scene where someone was burned at the stake? Where did that happen? Was it back in the Eyrie?
One thing in this episode that really bugged me: the giant lion’s head that the “history reenacters” emerged from. Looked like something out of Disneyland. This from a show that usually tries hard for a gritty and plausibly Medieval look. Bad call, Props Department.
Strictly speaking, for non-book readers, spelling of names is up for grabs. Character names aren’t displayed in the credits, and this is a society that’s not big on literature or even signage. (They love their heraldry though.)
Last week was the first time I can recall seeing anyone’s name actually written out (“Ser Jaime Lannister”, in the Big Book of Brothers), and for anyone who’s only watched the show, I could see people going whaddya know, they spell “sir” with an “e”.
Maybe you’re confusing Lysa with Stannis’s wife Selyse?
The people being burned at the stake were people who had refused to sufficiently recognize The Lord of Light, the one god of the religion that Stannis has now adopted (due to the work of sexy red priestess Melisandre).
For all those people who may not know, there is a site that contains some very brief biographical info on all the characters in the story together with the correct spelling of their names.
However, I’m not sure whether I should post a link to this site because the sticky for this thread says there is not to be any “outside info” used in this thread.
Can anyone please advise me whether it is OK to post a link to that site?
I believe you are correct. Does Lysa look anything like Selyse? I had never previously heard of Selyse and can’t ever recall her appearing in any prior episode.
They do look slightly similar, yes.
Oh, come now. Give him a little credit : Joffrey was a hopeless romantic. He would have wanted his wedding night to be special, not humdrum skull-buggery. It was his wife’s first (to the best of his knowledge) after all. He would have wanted to treat her right. Make it memorable.
What I mean is, have you ever seen Salò by any chance ? 
OK. Thank you. I guess I got the two of them mixed up.
I couldn’t figure out just what Catelyn’s sister would have been doing in this episode. It was very puzzling.
However, if anyone knows, I’d still like to know just what that scene was about where that man was burned at the stake. I know that I recognized him from some prior episode. If anyone can explain, I sure would like to know how he fit into this episode and how the scene of his being burned … what did that have to do with this episode? Did it fit in at all with Joff’s wedding or assassination?