The Fine Young Capitalists don’t seem to think it was an accident: http://apgnation.com/archives/2014/09/09/6977/truth-gaming-interview-fine-young-capitalists
In other developments, Wikileaks is on our side, someone called Zoe Quinn has written an article for Cracked about the oppression of the internet and it’s been revealed that her claims that some of the proceeds of her “game” were going to a depression charity called iFred were fraudulent, and they have received no money.
And their evidence is…? Because if they don’t have any, it’s yet another content-free attack on Quinn. And if they do have evidence, it’s totally bizarre that someone can be so good at conspiracy as Quinn purportedly is, and so bad about it that she tweets about the crime she committed.
All signs point to Slashdot effect.
I love the lack of link here.
You’re a liar.
iFred has already confirmed Quinn donated exactly as much money as she said she would. Keep digging though, this is only making you look stupider.
They link straight to this album of images from their interview. It’s all right there. They say a lot of things, and not all of it has clear evidence, but the big stuff about Quinn? Dropping his docs, blowing up his website, harassing his project from a stance of abject ignorance? Yeah, it’s there. This isn’t some conspiracy, this is a bunch of people Quinn did her best to fuck over. Despite, yanno, their whole Raison-d’etre basically being “get more minorities involved in video games”. It’s really kind of ridiculous. This person is not blameless. She fucked up. Does this make up for any of the death threats? Hell no. But let’s stop pretending she’s this shining ideal of a human being, eh?
(FWIW: her article on Cracked was well-written and pretty much completely on-point.)
I don’t think this is any kind of smoking gun. If you drive a lot of traffic to a site you can overload it; that just means enough people were paying attention to you that the site couldn’t handle the traffic. That is often, jokingly, called a DDOS, or Slashdot effect, or whatever, but unless you can provide specific evidence that the DDOS was intended maliciously, the link you gave doesn’t prove anything.
Honestly, providing that link without context is proof of bad faith–if the term was used maliciously the proof of maliciousness should be provided, and if no proof can be provided, that is evidence that whoever created that screenshot was deliberately intending to mislead.
Is that the same imgur link someone linked to earlier that made Timecube look sane by comparison? I have no interest in rereading the Gish gallop of a lunatic collective.
BBC, if there’s something in there that you think specifically addresses the DDOS charge with damning evidence, tell us what, specifically, it is. Otherwise I think you’re a gullible idiot, or a bad liar, or both.
It’s just a couple of tweets, one of them from Zoe saying 'ooops, we accidentally DDOS’ed their site". Hardly incriminating of an intentionall DDOS attack. More like the Slashdot effect at work.
I read through all four images at the link. They’re sort of what I imagine the internal communication at Ikea must look like. Lots of incomprehensible arrows linking things that don’t seem to have any relationship to each other.
As near as I can interpret, the worst thing Quinn does is make fun of a casting call put out by Fine Young Capitalists that’s looking for a woman who “sounds smart” for a roll that, they specify, requires no nudity. That bit is pretty stupid and unfair. Also, “transphobic” is thrown around a lot, and that’s probably too harsh for a policy that seems, at worst, well intentioned but poorly thought out.
The evidence of doxxing, as near as I can figure, is a tweet where someone Quinn knows found a Facebook post from one of the guys at FYC, where he talks about working at FYC.
As for the DDOS, it’s just a couple of tweets by Quinn, after the fact, where she’s clearly joking. I suspect the real issue here is less hordes of Zoe Quinn followers attacking en masse, and more that FYC got their server on the cheap.
My phrasing was utterly wrong there. sorry. I meant gamer as a sub culture, don’t know how I arrived at those words.
They WERE calling gamer’s rapists, misogynistic, socially awkward losers, and calling for the death of “the gamer”.
Personally, I don’t think Quinn did any of this maliciously. I think her intentions in attacking TFYC were all the best (although, as usual, I think it was pretty stupid), and I think she simply made a mistake retweeting one of her associates with the man’s real name and facebook account. I wouldn’t call any of that necessarily “malicious”, although the way she and others in the gaming media went after the company may qualify despite them having good intentions. AFAICT, TFYC don’t even think she blew them up on purpose, or that she has any personal affiliation with whoever hacked their Indiegogo. The OP is just kinda full of shit, and I probably should have read further into the discussion (or at least more carefully) before inserting myself.
Just missing the context of the last post. I blame Bricker, personally. Stupidity is contagious. It is not the same IMGUR, and it does definitely provide evidence that Quinn retweeted the post that led to him being identified.
IMO that’s the big thing. Directly linking to someone’s personal facebook account when they have not linked it to their project is kind of a no-no. I’d believe Quinn if she said she didn’t do it on purpose (which she has said repeatedly), but I’m far more likely to take what she has to say about TFYC with a grain of salt. But of course, any discussion of this is completely overshadowed by death threats and harassment. Quinn isn’t in the right, and TFYC isn’t in the wrong, but what Quinn is going through just makes all of this relatively paltry by comparison, and even they acknowledge that.
Okay, I just learned something. I thought Doxx was slang for DDOS–for fellow ignoramuses, it means revealing someone’s real identity. All along I’ve been talking about the charge of DDOSing the account, which as near as I can tell is a totally bullshit charge.
The charge of Doxxing someone at TFYC seems to have a tiny bit more truth to it: looks like Quinn replied with quote to someone who revealed someone’s real name.
I’m not sure the Doxxing charge is actually a very serious no-no, however. As much as some folks want to stay anonymous (and I admit I changed my username to make myself a little more anonymous here), if you’re discussing someone’s business, it doesn’t strike me as a giant bad thing to reveal the name of the person engaging in the business.
All I know about this ridiculous story is what I read in the cracked.com article, and I hate Zoe Quinn just because she has a Z and a Q in her name, frickin’ Scrabble-moochin’ bitch…
Just kidding, ZQ. You’re all right.
Doxing isn’t about revealing someone’s name. It’s things like name, home address, social security number, credit card numbers, names and locations of parents and kids, place of work, contact information for supervisor, etc. It’s basically creating a roadmap for people who would like to move the harassment to real life.
It’s amazing how many mistakes this woman makes, and how many gullible fools still believe someone the FYC characterise as a habitual liar.
Given that her stated reasons for attacking TFYC were that they wanted women to work without pay and were transexclusionary, all of which is manifestly untrue, what possible good intentions could she have had?
For wikileaks, Cracked or iFred?
The first is on their twitterfeed or here, the second is on their frontpage, for the third the claim is on the Depression Quest page and the denial has come from iFred, saying they have received no money at all from Zoe. Justin Bailey says they have confirmed she gave as much as she said she would, well, they’ve confirmed she gave nothing, whereas she said she would give a portion of the proceeds from her game, which can be had for the asking. So you could say she promised them bugger all, but that would be a mischaracterisation. In other words, Justin Bailey is a liar, not me.
Doxing is extremely serious. Reddit shadowbans anyone who doxes someone, and many subreddits ban links to Gawker media because they one doxed a redditor.
Oh, well if the FYC say so, then it must be church. I mean, what possible reason would they have to disparage their critics, right ? It just wouldn’t make sense !
One commentator, I think that Jimquisition guy, claimed that controversies like this one bear a right-wing slant. Easy point, what with the attempts to discredit feminists and all.
In other news, the American Enterprise Institute weighed in on how these wrong-headed feminists are spoiling everybody’s innocent fun. Currently is number 7 in r/videos. The r/gaming sub, incidentally, has declared any discussion not strictly about a game off-limits, so anything about Sarkeesian or Quinn gets deleted.
To be fair, she does raise some fair points. I mean, not about Quinn or Sarkeesian’s harassment, god no. Calling their harassers a “small number of sociopaths” and then proceeding to call them “professional victims” was atrocious and kind of inexcusable. I think she raised a few fair points about some of the common criticisms of the medium, though. I don’t think I really agree with her on most of it, but the video isn’t a complete abortion of an attempt to tackle the sexism in video games issue.
I’m really just damning with faint praise, aren’t I?
Though I do have to admit I love how they finally found a self-described feminist who validates their world view, and they are going to get a shitton of mileage out of having a token woman who agrees with them. I love how discussing the issue in a “mature and logical manner” is code for “agrees with me”.