Who called VJ a feminist? A realistic female character the likes of which feminists might like if it weren’t for her origins, sure. A feminist? I wasn’t aware that the character was ever meant to be that.
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Sorry, you called her “feminist-friendly.” TOTALLY different, and I look forward to an explanation as to the differences between feminist and feminist-friendly.
Everyone’s clear here that the real scandal is how terrible blind boy and his fellow trolls are, right? Because here is a real update on 4chan’s nonsense (note that unlike blindboy’s updates, mine has a cite embedded): 4chan Users Threaten Emma Watson with Nude Photo Leak Over UN Speech on Gender Equality:
Stay tuned for blindboy’s explanation of why she’s really a whore who deserves this sort of treatment.
To decide if Watson is a whore or not we’re gonna need to see the photo evidence.
I was sort of joking when I said a few pages back that this kind of attitude is going to land a lot of 4chan users in jail, but it really is only a matter of time, isn’t it?
…At first I was going to say “you’re a terrible person”, then I laughed. So I guess we’re both terrible people.
On a side note: I am torn between the desire to see Emma Watson naked (because let’s face it, we all want to see Emma Watson naked) and the desire not to be a completely reprehensible shitbag with absolutely no ethics or morals.
Tough choice. :rolleyes: I see some of my friends going on on facebook about “the fappening 2.0” and I just feel sick. Really, guys? Really?
Okay, it’s simple. A feminist-friendly character is someone who aligns, more or less, with feminist ideology in character design. A woman who is not objectified, weakened, whatever. This character does not necessarily have to be a feminist herself. VJ is not a feminist. Obviously. But she’s not a character which, when faced with critique from a feminist standpoint, could reasonably be objected to. She’s a woman. She’s not objectified or overtly oversexualized. She has a defined personality, agency… I dunno. Can a woman not be a good character to feminists unless the character is also a feminist? Because if that’s not the case, then that’s what I’m talking about. If that is the case, then holy shit there’s something seriously wrong with feminists.
Or maybe there’s something seriously wrong with *your *definition of “feminist”.
To be - a guy, who plays computer games - “feminist” is simply the opposite of “misogynist”. It means you’re not a jerk regarding women, and it’s a label I hope I qualify for.
Well then it’s so broad as to be basically meaningless. If you define it like that, then yeah, VJ is a feminist. Of course, that definition is basically worthless to me and anyone else trying to figure out what a “feminist” is.
Also, I doubt Blindboyard would defend leaking Watson’s nudes. He’s a terrible person, but that’s just ridiculous.
Seriously. What is wrong with those people? She says she got called ‘bossy’ for wanting to direct plays, and for that SHE MUST BE SILENCED!!!..???
You’d think they’d be ashamed to be seen in public freaking out about such mild remarks. How insecure can they be???
I doubt it. Only the thoroughly inept ever get “backtraced” (yup, I did that :)) unless serious money, resources and subpoenas are involved. Even an A-list celebrity doesn’t really rate when the FBI/MI5 (or whichever agency is tasked with that sort of stuff in the UK) has to deal with Chinese industrial hackers, ISIS twitters, Israeli viruses spread around the 'net to paint Iranian nuclear scientists bright orange and such. Priorities, people.
Of course, should they ever publish nudie pics of Michelle Obama… wait, silly me, this is /b/ we’re talking about. Make that Sasha.
It’s a broad definition because it should be the default behavior of any modern, reasonably educated human being. The fact that it isn’t is the reason the term is still needed.
Why? The Scarlet Johansen leaker got 10 years. And they’re making it into an organized campaign of hate and harassment now. The FBI would probably love to take them down for the headlines alone.
You can always be just a regular shitbag and photo shop her face on nudies on the nude sites.
This is one of my favorites of her, Emma Watson
This is a very weird thing to say. The definition of “feminist” is what it has always been—belief in the social and political equality of genders.
It has many implications—no discrimination in voting, education, employment, inheritance … Freedom to make personal life choices … Freedom from intrusion into sexuality … Freedom from shaming based on choices made by a woman.
What was said above is correct. Being a feminist is of the same level as being non-racist. It’s a basic character trait of all decent people.
Yeah, it really fuckin is, only you got it all wrong. You need to quit talking for a bit and pay attention to what’s being said around you. You’re splitting hairs in this weird pompous ignorant attempt to make it out like 4chan isn’t being a bunch of weird pompous ignorant jackasses around this whole VJ thing, engaging in some bizarre mansplaining of your own.
Yeah, only what you’re talking about makes no fuckin sense and shows you got no fuckin idea what feminism is.
There’s no such thing as “aligning” with feminism. Either you’re a feminist or not. If you are not a feminist, you’re either a male supremacist or a misogynist, and there might not be much meaningful difference between the latter two. I suppose you could also be a female supremacist or misandrist, but those are so rare and so powerless in society as to be insignificant.
Great, then I retract my previous statement - VJ is quite clearly a feminist. Most people don’t find this definition cogent, and wouldn’t use it as a self-identifier, but if this is how we’re defining it, then yeah. /v/ made a feminist character.
And that shows you as a massively sexist towards men first off, and secondly what about all us women that don’t like feminists? Granted I don’t like MRAs either and thats one of the reasons I stayed out of this stupid thread.
Also, Left Hand of Dorkness, this is the pit, and lots of stupid and mean things are said to blow of steam. 4chan is the dickhole of the Internet and basically the entire net’s pit so you are going to see vile and stupid shit in it and almost all of it is idiots blowing off steam. Also, I don’t care for all this gamergate shit, but please don’t jump on stupid crap that a couple people say and denounce everyone for it; especially when the genesis of the whole damn thing was pointed out to be a hoax site made by Rantic.
The raw amount of people wanting to shut down discourse by saying “Oh, you can’t have a say because you are X” and Ad Hominids are so common is absolutely incredible. This is where ignorance is fought and if you keep doing nothing but calling each other names or being mad about where people are coming from on the net, I have to say that you are the ignorant one. Ideas should be tested on their own merits and its disgraceful to see so many smart people resort to such low tactics as using womens rights as shields to defend them from rightful critical analysis, and its just as low to attack a woman over being sexual. The whole thing started over a cover up, same as Watergate, and let the people keep digging. If they find nothing, they should eat crow and feel like the shits they are. If they do find stuff, at least something good will come of this whole fiasco and people will finally stop being shitty over it.
Oh, and yes, I’m a woman. If you think otherwise, I have a few gifs that made more than a few people horny and I’m sure 10 times more puke ^_-
Yeah, seriously. Trying to define “feminist” as “everyone that isn’t misogynist” is nice, and cute, and maybe even supported by some dictionaries, and completely and utterly ignores the massive amount of baggage that the term “feminist” has carried around with it since at the very latest Andrea Dworkin. Christ, I’m apparently a feminist (I believe very firmly in the equality of genders and the equal positioning of women in society), even though I’d never self-identify as such, because when most people hear “feminist” their immediate thoughts turn to the more extreme and less rational voices within the movement. The term has baggage, and people ignore that at their peril.