Idiot, people have already linked to two thoughtful pieces that give qualified praise to the game from respected sources. Your stupid review means that it doesn’t work for you, because wah wah reading, and I don’t especially care about user reviews on Steam or anywhere else. Again, I’m not going to play the game, but your sense of “It’s objectively bad!” is clearly false.
I get what Depression Quest is aiming for, but I don’t think it succeeds. A very fair comparison, I think, is the movie Melancholia, which was an independent (ableit high profile) film about depression, intended to invoke the feeling of having depression, and written and directed by someone with depression. Even the lead has suffered from clinical depression.
And yet, it’s a breathtaking, brilliant movie. It’s not fun, it’s even uncomfortable at times, but it’s almost never plodding and its cinematography is top notch.
I guess what I’m saying is that, for a game that on the surface seems to have similar goals to Melancholia (a game intended to evoke the feeling and tone of depression), it doesn’t particularly succeed as a game while Melancholia absolutely excels as a film.
I don’t begrudge anyone who got something out of it, if they did, great. I just don’t think that saying “it’s meant to evoke the tone and feeling of depression” is a good justification for its flaws, when a movie with almost the exact same goal was one of the best films in the last 5 years.
…quotes from some reviews of Melancholia:
“pretentious, dull and decidedly non-earth-shattering.”
“Unbearably tedious, pretentious crap.”
“The film is entirely ridiculous, often quite boring, with a script showing worrying signs of being cobbled together.”
“a seriously oppressive piece of work”
“Melancholia” is aesthetically ravishing, but dramatically pretty dull."
“Artful hooey’ might be the best critical shorthand.”
What you consider to be a " breathtaking, brilliant movie" others consider to be a dreadful, plodding mess. Opinion is a subjective thing. Just because you think Depression Quest didn’t hit its mark, it doesn’t mean that it objectively didn’t do so.
Here’s one, you lying sack of shit. So yes, she made that Wizard Chan shit up.
Classic projection. You are a lying sack of shit and refuse to accept the truth, so you assume that other people aren’t better than you. Other people are better than you. It’s you that’s made shit up.
Again, she had spread her own nude pictures around. You want to pretend that she’s Jennifer Lawrence. She’s really just someone who tried to use her tits as a substitute for talent.
That, at least, is nothing but assertions.
Good job she wasn’t at her house to receive it then.
Those are certainly screenshots. Well done.
The first screenshot has them specifically saying they have been accused of harassing her and her minions, and how ironic it would be if they were to protect these people from harassment, implying they aren’t harassing her. A smoking gun there! The second is about them wanting a whistle-blower at the Independent Games Festival because they suspect illegal activity. Yes, clearly that shows they are trying to drive women from gaming.
Perhaps you ought to learn to read, rather than parroting Zoe’s dishonest talking points.
Here is my methodology. I went to the store page, clicked on “Only Positive” at the bottom where the reviews are, and read them all. Which was surprisingly easy, given that Steam only showed me 5. And apparently I did it wrong. :smack: Not sure why steam showed me a huge-ass list of the negative reviews by default and needed me to click to see more than a handful of the positive reviews. Kinda feeling like a moron now.
Yes. This. I struggled to find a way to phrase this eloquently, so you have my thanks.
It never ceases to boggle me when guys (and it’s always guys) go for “yeaaah but what if the roles were reversed, man ?” thing. Which is about as valid and endearing as “Bu-bu-but **he **gets to call his friends niggers, so what’s the big deal when I do it ? I don’t flip out when somebody calls me a cracker !”
No, it’s not hypocrisy. No, it’s not double standards, because they refer to two separate sets, with no equivalence in experiences and backgrounds. It’s really not that hard to parse.
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Neither is PTSD. And Spec Ops isn’t fun either.
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I disagree there. Spec Ops wouldn’t work if the shooty bits were not entertaining - fun. And if you hadn’t thoroughly yet mindlessly enjoyed gunning down hordes of faceless, allahuackbar’ing hordes with clinical precision in the first few levels. It wouldn’t be a good bait-and-switch without a juicy bait, neh ?
In that regards it might not be the most innovative or visceral TPS, but it’s enjoyable for its own sake and on its own merits even before all the cleverness happens.
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It may have significance as an educational game.
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That’s pretty much my take on it. You could use it as edutainment, either to self-diagnose/stop feeling guilty about your own depression; or force the people around you to play it to maybe understand what you’re going through better and stop being part of the problem already. And in that sense it might not be terrible, at that.
The issue with edutainment games is that they too often either fail at being educational, or fail at being games. Captain Novolin was… questionable wrt its pedagogic content re:diabetes :p. *DQ *seems to me to be more book than vidya game, and if its aim was to be widely spread and provide insights into depression to a load of folks and maybe help change society’s attitudes towards depression… that’s not gonna happen.
Hey, I haven’t played the game either but you’re saying here that as long as two pieces are written praising something then it cannot objectively be bad. I imagine damned near anything can get two people to praise it. Thus, the fact that objectively bad art exists is clearly false.
l strongly disagree with this view.
In this case when the roles are truly reversed we still have shaming. Men have the Virgin Son, the Father, and gigolo and in a major religion the virgin son is revered but in society the virgin male is shamed. The whole judge people by their sexual appetite attitude notion is the problem and both sexes should have reasons to kill it.
What would replace it though? People have to have some fairly easy way to feel superior to other people. That seems to be the constant with discrimination. I sometimes feel that this is the true monster of humanity and this monster is truly daunting. We will have to manufacture a new class to shame because society demands someone to shame.
Are there any examples of society anywhere ever where this concept of shaming a subclass doesn’t exist in practice? I’d really love to be proven wrong on this. Please.
Ok guys, let’s breathe.
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DQ is the equivalent of a self-published novel. It may be bad, it may be good. It may talk to some people and not others. It doesn’t really matter. It’s a no-name piece of interaction fiction like literally thousands of others. It just doesn’t matter.
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How many people you have slept with isn’t really a valid judgement. I am neither worried about how many ladies Hemingway slept with, not how many the clerk at CVS slept with. Unless it has some tie to what you are doing (like, I may be interested in how many people a “family values” politician slept with), there is no reason to bring it up for public discussion. Anyway, how many men a random person slept with doesn’t matter.
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Online harassment is bad. Whoever starts the doxing and rape threats and whatever is wrong and should probably go to jail. Harassment is immoral and illegal, even against sluts.
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Gaming journalism is tied to industry, but we knew that.
This is a non-story, and people should stop harassing each other.
That is all that needs saying.
Fuck you, this the PIT, bitch !
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Wow. What an incomprehensible stack or graphic nonsense. I barely skimmed it and I can see the primary ‘defense’ seems to be trying to twist the dictionary ‘your have to be present or communicate with a person to harass someone’ then a bunch of ‘nuh-uhs’ and special pleading for sleaze bags.
Didn’t bother with the rest. If this is your level of evidence no wonder you didn’t present any in the OP.
Here’s what makes this a story. Who even heard of the harassment of Jontron and TotalBiscuit? Nobody. Because they were harassed by SJWs who had their panties in a knot. And they did things which people think might be bad… Such as, in TotalBiscuit’s case, opining that there would be something wrong with Zoe Quinn filing BS DMCAs if the allegations against her were valid. For that, he got harassed. Not just by random anonymous trolls, but by people within the industry; people who have the power to basically prevent him from doing his job (including a handful of developers who flat-out said that they would DMCA any videos he does covering their games). The “story” here is the gigantic fucking double standard. Zoe Quinn makes allegations of a raid by Wizardchan? The Escapist unquestioningly posts a piece on it. Wolf Wozniak says “Zoe Quinn harassed me”? Nobody even touches it, and Zoe’s supporters go on to mock and harass him on twitter. If you’re a woman in gaming, all you have to do is make baseless claims about something and the media will rush to your aid. If you’re a man, especially if you’re being harassed by SJWs, nobody cares.
Online harassment is bad. But let’s stop trying to pretend that a small cohort of shitty trolls represents all gamers, all men, or all male gamers. And let’s stop trying to pretend that it’s just a woman problem, or just a SJW problem, or that the perpetrators cannot be SJWs.
Anyone who wants to claim that ANYTHING posted on Wizardchan was harassing Zoe Quinn is more full of shit than the Detroit sewage treatment plant. Yes, it’s harassment to say mean things about someone in a place they’re not even supposed to be allowed to see. You cannot possibly be serious. And literally nothing else was ever confirmed. No screencaps from any emails they might have sent her, no evidence of any phone calls (indeed, I’m rather curious how Zoe would have even known the people were from Wizardchan), nothing. I’m not about to condemn someone for something that cannot be proven. The guys from Wizardchan cannot reasonably be condemned in this. I’m not going to take Zoe at her word on what are essentially criminal charges.
What I will say, though, is that going after Wizardchan with no evidence present is fucking bullshit. So what happened is that a whole bunch of people on twitter actively went after these people. You know, kind of like the supposed harassment of Zoe Quinn, except we can actually show that this shit happened.
Who are these developers? Do they even have the power within their companies to do that? And if you’re talking about one-man indies, they need TotalBiscuit more than he needs them.
You people are idiots.
But isn’t art fundamentally subjective? I’m not sure how you can sustain an argument that any piece of art, if it speaks to someone, can be objectively bad.
Awwwww… Snap! I wouldn’t want to be you people right now!
Indeed. The fact that we’re using the word “bad”–an opinion word, as your third grade teacher should have taught you–should indicate that we’re not in the realm of the objective.
If virtually everyone thinks something is crap, that might indicate a general failure of communication. But that’s not the case here–here we’ve got multiple folks with experience both in the genre and the topic talking about how they found some strengths in the work.
Blindboyard, that imgur you linked to was freakin’ awful. I read about a third of the way down it and they’d done nothing useful at all in presenting their evidence. Do you have any evidence presented in a manner that doesn’t make TimeCube look like an IRS manual?
Why bring race into it?