Gay clubs in elementary schools

I got the following details from PlanetOut.com:

Two students submitted the request for a GSA. The principal passed it on to the district administrators, who passed it on to the school board. The board held unprecedented public sessions and denied the club. They claimed this didn’t violate the Equal Access Act and the school’s own policy because they claimed it was actually a “curriculum-related” club that would be discussing sex education, and that it was controlled by an “outside” group, the national Gay Lesbian Straight Education Network.

The board proposed that they drop “gay” and “straight” from its name (they suggested “Tolerance Club”) and change its mission statement to not discuss sex, sex ed, or STD’s. The students disagreed and decided to sue the school district for discrimination.

During preliminary hearing testimony, the students did write a new statement that specifically stated it wasn’t a sexual, but a social issue (in fact, they support abstinence). But the board didn’t think the statement was good enough, so the lawsuit will continue (the hearing ended Jan. 26 and the judge will rule Feb. 4 if they can meet on campus until the lawsuit is concluded).

The students argue that the name change would change the nature of the club (“tolerance” implies “to put up with,” not what they had in mind for the club), and that their wording should be sufficient, unless they again change the nature of the club, plus these strict requirements have never been required of any other club where sexual discussions could just as easily take place.

The club has been meeting off school grounds, and has quite a few straight supporters involved.

Esprix


Next time I want your opinion I’ll beat it out of you.

Tom, as I think I noted in another thread in GD a couple months ago, you shouldn’t rely on the supposed ‘right to association’ here. First of all, there is no specific ‘right of association’ in the First Amendment. The right, therefore, is found in the Fourteenth Amendment’s due process clause, and, though it’s never explicitly said this way, in the Ninth Amendment’s general reservation to the people of other rights they have not specifically enumerated.

The ‘right to associate’ is often abriged by the Court, though admittedly usually when the association in question attempts to exclude from membership those society feels shouldn’t be excluded (e.g. blacks, women). Without getting into a complete discourse on the subject, in general, if your group exists for the purpose of political activities, you have a lot of protection; the more you get away from political agitation and include social association, the less protection you will get. Thus, the state can restrict admittance to dance halls on the basis of age, and can require membership in a state bar in order to practice (yikes!, gotta get them dues in!).

I think the legislative act the Congress passed in the mid-80’s is indicative of nervousness over constitutional protection under the ‘right to associate’. As we see from Melin’s post, it would appear that the plaintiffs are relying more on the statute than on any underlying constitutional right. The trouble with the constitutional arguement is that it might well represent a Catch-22 for the G/SA: to be protected as an association, it would have to assert it exists to act as a politically motivated organization (sort of a social conscience on gay-straight relations), precisely the sort of focus that would give opponents ammunition against them on the underlying rationales for disallowing the formation of the club.

Hi, DS,

right, it must be a bit different in our approaches then.

for example, there was a case in Canada a few years ago where a municipal police force denied a parade permit to a gay/lesbian group that wanted to march on gay pride day.

No-one disputed that the police had the statutory authority to restrict parades for traffic safety reasons, but the police chief said publicly that he didn’t think marching to express one’s sexuality was sufficiently important to warrant a parade permit, and that was why he denied the permit.

That was a breach of human rights protection of freedom of expression, because the decision was based on an assessment of the message, not traffic safety concerns.

I would have thought that if the school is selectively permitting clubs, based on the matters the clubs want to discuss, that would trigger 1st amendment protections, because there is both a speech aspect and an association aspect (subject of course to legitimate safety/discipline issues, schools acting in loco parentis, etc.)

I know that freedom of assoication isn’t expressly mentioned in the 1st Amendment, but I thought there was a line of cases from the Civil Rights movement in the 60s, relating to NAACP boycotts, that said that freedom of association was an adjunct of free speech? or is that only in the case of classicly political speech, such as the civil rights movement? but doesn’t that then trigger the question, isn’t a gay/lesbian club possibly a political activity, as well as being a support club?

been a while since I studied US stuff, so bear with me.


and the stars o’erhead were dancing heel to toe

An update on the Orange County Gay/Straight Alliance court battle, from PlanetOut:

Tuesday February 08 03:07 AM EST

School Club Wins First Round

SUMMARY: A judge has ruled that having a Gay Straight Alliance meet in an Orange, California high school isn’t just a matter of tolerance for diverse viewpoints - for the students, it’s a matter of life and death.

The Gay Straight Alliance (GSA) won a court order to be able to meet like any of the other 38 student-initiated clubs at El Modena High School in Orange, California. However there are indications that the victory may be short-lived: the Orange Unified School District (OUSD) Board is meeting in closed session February 4 for what may turn out to be a vote to eliminate all “non-curricular” clubs rather than allow the GSA to meet.

Background on the Case

Two students, Anthony Colin, 15, and Heather Zetin, 16, submitted an application to their principal at the beginning of the school year in September. It was passed on to the OUSD administration and to the school board, which delayed action. The board also held an unprecedented meeting for public testimony about the club, which entailed the students hearing a stream of anti-gay remarks. Only after a federal lawsuit had been filed on behalf of the students in November did the school board finally vote, and then it was a unanimous decision in December to deny the GSA. The board believed it had found exceptions to the federal Equal Access Act and its own policies prohibiting viewpoint-based discrimination against non-curricular clubs: that the GSA was controlled by an “outside group,” the national Gay Lesbian Straight Education Network (GLSEN); and that despite students’ denials, GSA was actually curriculum-related in nature in that it was likely to discuss matters closely regulated as sex education under state law. The board offered GSA the option of choosing a name that included neither the word “straight” nor the word “gay” but was more generic, such as “Tolerance Club”; and of including in its mission statement a promise not to discuss sex, sexuality or sexually transmitted diseases. No other club has been required to make that vow.

In the wake of the December school board vote, the request for the current preliminary injunction was filed to allow GSA to meet on campus while its lawsuit is in progress, which will take months and possibly years. Representing the students were the Lambda Legal Defense and Education Fund, the People for the American Way Foundation and the law firm of Irell & Manella. In a relatively unusual move, U.S. District Judge David Carter heard three days of testimony regarding the injunction request, including testimony from Colin and Zetin. Near the end of the hearing, Carter read into the record some of the findings on anti-gay hate crimes and on gay and lesbian teens’ suicide risk that had been offered in support of California’s 1999 safe schools legislation. [Ed. note: That bill was enacted, and effective October 1 it added “actual or perceived sexual orientation” as a protected category in all non-discrimination policies of the state Education Code that apply to students. The OUSD is believed to have been the only school board in the state to adopt a resolution opposing that measure.]

The Preliminary Injunction Ruling

The criteria for awarding a preliminary injunction are both that the judge sees a strong likelihood that the party seeking it will ultimately prevail in its larger lawsuit, and that party will suffer “irreparable harm” if the injunction is denied.

Carter wrote that, “Plaintiffs [the students] have been injured not only by the board’s excessive delay [in reaching a decision on the club], but also by the inability to effectively address the hardships they encounter at school every day.” Given that those hardships include a high rate of anti-gay hate crimes and the high suicide risk faced by gay and lesbian students, he wrote that, “This injunction therefore is not just about the student pursuit of ideas and tolerance for diverse viewpoints. As any concerned parent would understand, this case may involve the protection of life itself.”

That being said, Carter was certainly also concerned about free expression. Citing an earlier decision, he wrote that, “public school students do not ‘shed their constitutional rights to freedom of speech or expression at the school house gate.’” And he admonished the school board that, "Though it may educate many of Orange’s students, the Orange Unified School District must not become an Orwellian ‘guardianship of the public mind.’’

Carter rejected the argument that the GSA was controlled by “outside” adults.

Reactions to the Ruling

The students were attending classes as usual when the decision was handed down, but Zetin’s very supportive mother Judy Anderson was present and expressed relief at the ruling. She told reporters that, “It’s about who these kids are. It’s about who they love. It’s not about sex.”

The students’ attorneys called the ruling “breathtaking.” Lambda Supervising Attorney Jon Davidson said in a statement, “Not only did Judge Carter rule that the students must be allowed to meet under the federal Equal Access Act, he also emphasized that El Modena High’s Gay Straight Alliance club is in the public interest.”

Davidson added, “These brave students are trying to build support and respect among their classmates.”

People for the American Way Foundation’s California office acting director Kendra Huard said, “With this case, the students have been forced to teach a big lesson to the very school officials who should be helping them protect their learning environment. Thanks to Judge Carter’s breathtaking ruling, that environment will be safer and fairer soon.”

People for the American Way Foundation president Ralph Neas said, “These students have been courageous in their fight for simple justice. Today’s decision will help them grow up believing in America’s promise: that everyone is equal in the eyes of the law.” The actions of the OUSD, he said, “have been both outrageous and sad. The school officials are charged with the sacred duty of protecting children and instead they are endangering children by helping to create a climate of bigotry, fear and ignorance.”

A small group of anti-gay demonstrators chanted and picketed outside the courthouse while Carter handed down his ruling.

The students’ full lawsuit against the OUSD is scheduled for a status conference with Judge Carter on March 27, with trial to commence after the close of the school year.

Background on the Law

The federal Equal Access Act was adopted in 1984 as Christian student groups sought to form on public school campuses. It offers schools three options: to allow all non-curricular clubs equal access to school facilities; to prohibit all non-curricular clubs; or to give up all federal government funding. The “Christian Science Monitor” reports that the first Gay Straight Alliance was formed by students in Massachusetts more than ten years ago, and that there are now more than 700 similar clubs in 42 states.

The most widely-reported conflict regarding a GSA was that of East High School in Salt Lake City, Utah, a struggle which at one point required a full day’s special session by the state legislature; the Salt Lake City school board decided to eliminate all non-curricular clubs rather than allow the GSA to meet.

Last year, a school board in New Hampshire decided by a one-vote margin to allow a GSA, only after the board’s legal counsel said that to do otherwise would mean spending up to $300,000 losing a lawsuit. [Ed. note: The lawsuit on behalf of the GSA in that case was filed by Gay & Lesbian Advocates & Defenders, a group which also participated in the recent Vermont Supreme Court marriage decision in the “Baker” case.]


Next time I want your opinion I’ll beat it out of you.

Tom, sorry took so long getting back on this. :slight_smile:

Yes, the reason for the association is precisely the focus. If your association exists to advocate political views, you get a lot of protection from state action that infringes on your ability to associate. I’m not going to go back and get the citation, but IIRC one of the NAACP cases held that a person couldn’t be required to divulge membership in the NAACP on an application for employment with the schools of the state. That’s pretty strong protection.

On the other hand, the Jaycees weren’t allowed to exclude women because the Jaycees aren’t a political organization (one can speculate that the fact they are excluding women as opposed to, say, left-handed cooks didn’t help!). I don’t think the USSC has addressed it, but it would be VERY interesting to see what would happen in a clash between a political organization advocating a whites-only policy and an attempt by a state or the federal government to make such an organization illegal as being discriminatory against blacks. Not that I have any fondness (or even stomache) for people who advocate racial ‘purity’; it just would be an interesting to see the USSC hoist on its own petard from the NAACP cases.

The radio reports this morning that El Modeno school was covered in posters “advertising” the Gay/Straight Alliance. The posters show two men embracing, and have what is described as “doggerel verse” on them. Rivals at a cross-town high school at suspected, but there is no crime involved, according to the cops.

-Melin


Siamese attack puppet – California

Still neglecting and overprotecting my children

According to a summary from the Utah chapter of the ACLU, the Utah case has been resolved. You can find the summary on the Utah ALCU site (about two thirds down), including links to the Federal judge’s opinion and other press releases.

The upshot is interesting:

So, according to this Judge, you don’t need special groups in order to grant every student their Constitutional free speech. As far as I know, the ban on “all student clubs not related to the school curriculum” still stands, but the District’s statement makes it clear that a gay (or any other) student’s viewpoints must be given forum in official school groups.

Of course, this doesn’t address the potential therapeutic benefits of gay students being able to assemble as a group to discuss issues and challenges unique to them. But I guess the EAA doesn’t guarantee anyone’s access to therapeutic benefits.

Here’s an article about those flyers. And, yes, if this doesn’t clearly spell out why such a club should exist, I don’t know what it’ll take…

From PlanetOut, Wednesday February 09 01:57 AM EST:

Flyers Deride CA School’s New GSA

SUMMARY: Were the ugly messages left in the lockers at the highschool ordered to host a Gay Straight Alliance an example of the attitudes the club needs to address?

It was a Friday morning when U.S. District Court Judge David Carter granted a preliminary injunction February 4 to allow a student Gay Straight Alliance (GSA) club to meet at El Modena High School over the objections of the Orange, California Unified School District. On Monday morning, school custodians discovered a number of flyers which it’s now believed may have been stuffed into the lockers of all the school’s 1,900 students. Apparently a hand-modified print ad for a gay phone sex line, the flyers show two scantily clad men embracing, give El Modena’s phone number instead of the the dating service’s, and add the message, “Come on El Mo, don’t be shy! You’re either gay or you’re bi!” Principal Nancy Murray condemned the flyers over the school’s public address system.

Police were called but did not believe a crime was involved, since the flyer did not appear to be threatening and the school building had been open much of the weekend. They turned the matter over to the school district, which is investigating. School board spokesperson Judy Frutig said, “We believe it was done by an outsider, just by the message. It was directed in a very obscene way toward anyone connected with El Modena.” She added that, “The school and the school district will not tolerate any harassment or discrimination directed at the Gay Straight Alliance or its members.”

One of the leaders of community members opposing the GSA told the “Orange County Register” that, “Our opposition to the club should not be taken as a license by anyone to harass or discriminate against the students at El Modena High School.”

GSA founders and plaintiffs in the lawsuit Anthony Colin, 15, and Heather Zetin, 16, were not amused, particularly when they have had to emphasize throughout the controversy that the club is about promoting respect and tolerance, not discussing sex. They were particularly angered that a number of El Modena students approached them assuming they had placed the flyers themselves. The incident will certainly give GSA something to discuss at its first on-campus meeting, which is now planned for lunch hour February 9.

Some students believe the flyers are the work of a rival school in the district, as payback for pranks played against them by El Modena students last year. But even for them it’s an indication, as one student told the “Register” that, “There’s not a school around here that’s not completely laughing at our school.”

Next time I want your opinion I’ll beat it out of you.

To be sure, any resource that provides support, solidarity and guidance for a marginalized group of young people can offer tremendous–even life-saving–benefits. But the position of the Utah school board (to remove all such, and all other non-curriculum related groups), while pretty twisted, raises a point.

If, as the CA District Judge Carter ruled, our school districts “must not become an Orwellian ‘guardianship of the public mind,’” maybe their best course of action is to get out of the business wherever they can. Why let any non-curriculum groups use school facilities to meet and pursue their non-curricular agendas? Nothing is stopping the Key Clubs, the FFAs, the GSAs, and all other non-currics from meeting on their own time, outside of school. Who needs the damn school? Does the designation of “official school club” provide any kind of extra legitimacy? When I was in high school, to be an “official school” anything was grounds for summary and merciless mocking.

Of course, to single out one such club for special exclusions while allowing others to enjoy “official” status is discriminatory and tremendously damaging. But if, as Utah as opted, none are allowed, and all are then free to pursue their agendas in their way and on their own terms…well, maybe it’s not so twisted.

For the record, I don’t believe this represents the SLC school district’s motivations for their universal ban. IMO, those folks are ignorant ass-faces. But, dubious motivations aside, maybe it’s for the best.

Any thoughts?

Banning any ‘extra-curricular’ clubs is probably legal. It is also cutting off one’s nose to spite the face. IMHO.

From your continuing news reporter: :wink:

Today’s news reports that the school district in question has now voted to ban all non-curriculur clubs in elementary and middle schools. All club participation in high school clubs will require parental consent.

We return to your regularly scheduled debates.

-Melin


Siamese attack puppet – California

Still neglecting and overprotecting my children

Parental consent to exercise constitutional rights? What the hell is wrong with these people?

I don’t want to be the lone jerk, here. But doesn’t the very fact that Jaycees [sp?] excluded women make them a political group? I mean, isn’t the fact that they exclude women by choice a political decision? Not that I would ever exclude women from any event I participated in (I need all the help I can get), but it seems that this policy in itself is a (admittadly, backward ass) political statment.

And, one of these days, I will learn how to spell “admittedly.” Assuming that’s even a word.

No, making a group that excludes women is not a ‘political’ statement. It is simply a statement you don’t want to pal around with women.

The Jaycees (Junior Chamber of Commerce, if I recollect correctly) existed to promote business among young men (boys). This was a commercial purpose, not a political one.

You can contrast, for instance, a group called: Men For A Man’s World, a hypothetical group that gets together to promote male-only political causes (say, for example, efforts to defeat the ERA and anti-gender-discrimination laws). THAT would be a group that was exclusive, but political; it would be interesting to know what would happen if the federal government attempted to force such a group to admit women under an anti-gender-discrimination law it passed.

The school board voted late last week to ban all “non-curricular” clubs at elementary and middle schools and to require parental consent for participating in high school clubs. I really don’t understand what these people are so afraid of.

An update on the Orange County situation, from PlanetOut News, Saturday February 12 03:12 AM EST:

Chilling indeed. How can a young person with questions about their orientation go to a safe place where they can openly discuss their feelings with peers when they have to go to their parents - the people who are most assuredly the last people they feel comfortable talking to about such things - for permission? Once again, all the flap over the club in the first place illuminates the exact reasons why it is so desperately needed.

Esprix


Next time I want your opinion I’ll beat it out of you.

Well it all depends on whether they open their meeting with a prayer…? :slight_smile:

Well, at least they didn’t just ban all clubs! Even if you don’t take into account the G/SA, such a ban would be quite harmful to the no doubt tens of clubs that already meet at the school.

As is often the case, the issue ends up being something that will have to be resolved on the merits of the proposal, rather than on the basis of broad sweeping principles like constitutionality or legality. The trouble with such decisions is that people don’t see eye to eye. But as it stands, there is at least hope that the students who wish to use the school for this club can do so, which is more than they had guaranteed at the start of their ordeal. :slight_smile:

Have you been reading what the students who founded the club have been saying, or are you just pushing your own agenda here? They aren’t supposed to be discussing “questions about their orientation.” They’re supposed to be discussing promoting respect and tolerance – that’s the representation they’ve made, anyway – not issues of sexuality or sexual behavior.

-Melin