It’s an opinion, friend. Chill. Deal. I’m flattered that you might confuse it with the word of God. But really, you’re being to kind. A demi-god would have more than enough.
But I can see that I was probably right and you are mixing drugs and alcohol. Know what what they say, friend: bottoms up!
How arrogant. “it’s not the best way”
Like I should accept your “best way” to civil rights. Fuck you.
We’re going to win this civil rights battle. You are going to lose. I am going to come back here and tell you to shove it up your ass.
I SAID NO! Deal.
Sheesh.
By the way, friend, you must have overlooked the “not necessarily” that preceded “the best way” I’m sure it was just an honest mistake. And you’ve put within quotes a phrase I’ve not said (which is a violation of the rules of debate and possibly, the SDMB). So, I must conclude, once again, that you are a dishonest, dishonorable piece of shit.
You do realize that you’re making this easier and easier every time you post don’t you? But what the heck, we’re both having fun, right?
Okay, your turn.
You do realize, how childish you come across when you end your sentences with “deal?” I think I said it once, and you’ve been pinging on it ever since. You big baby. Do you have a crush on me or something? Look, if you’re hot I might do you or something, but don’t get your hopes up.
No, no, no to the fucking up the ass already. Because if you tried it I’d have to put a meat cleaver through your skull and scoop out the inside to feed to the fish. And then I wouldn’t have you to kick around any more.
And if your side ever wins, know what I’ll do? I’ll respect that the mechanism society has in place to decide our collective future has worked. And seek to have that same mechanism swing the pendulum back to where I think it most beneficial. So there.
Deal.
What a maroon. I got that from you, when you used it more than once. I’m the one who taught you is was childish and imbecilic. I’m just going to keep reminding you of it.
Don’t like it. Too bad. Deal.
Hey, five bucks says you can’t finish off that bottle in one swig.
How can I not be? Your position is monstrous, and if it’s not based on prejudice, it bears no marks to distinguish it from one that does. You say you want me to have equal rights… except for this one small area. How can I trust you to keep to that? You’ve already attacked me once, for no reason. How can I know you won’t decide that there’s some other small area where you think I shouldn’t be equal? And another after that? And another after that? For all your attempts to present your position as reasonable, it still appears irrational and inhumane to me. You’ve hurt me once, greatly, more than I can ever possibly injure you back. How can I be anything other than terrified that you’ll do so again?
I am definitely not decorating my apartment right now, so I definitely am not doing the same things as a gay man. 
Monstrous? Monstrous.?!!! Tell my you’re using a great deal of hyperbole here. Otherwise that claim is ridiculous. Now if you wish to paint my position the way you do here, you’ve drawn your line in the sand and nothing I can say or do will change that. I can’t stop you from doing that, much as I’d like to. But I will ask you how what I’ve proposed many time, most recently in the form below which I believe addresses previous criticisms you’ve had of it, does not address the fears you have.
Your position is not what you voted on. It’s just something you blather on about to make yourself feel enlightened about what you actually did. You voted on a measure to take away gay people’s right to marry in the state of CA and put nothing in its place. You voted YES on that, along with people who hate and fear gays. And I wonder how you can feel good about that, but you apparently do, and I feel I have amply proven, using your own words, that the reason you’re OK with it is because of your homophobia. Now, I know what you response is going to be, to launch some shitty ad hominem attacks against me, your standard idiotic name-calling, rather than examine yourself and see if maybe I don’t have a point. But hey, stick and stones, right? The truth hurts, so fire away with the insults. Just proves that I’ve hit home.
Not quite. I actually prefer to have the vitriol dialed down. And if you don’t try to put words in my mouth or stubbornly insist that my opinion is something other than what I posted in probably over 100 posts, we can remain civil. Now I still cannot fathom why you cannot understand my position. I voted against SSM marriage because I am against it. It’s that simple. If and when I am able to vote to extend to gays rights they do not currently enjoy in this state, without granting SSM, I will do so. Now, you may not agree with my position, but at this point to not understand it displays that you are putting great effort into not understanding it because you don’t want to. To that, there’s only so much I can do.
magellan01, this is clearly over the line. Do not threaten people with physical violence on this board.
How nice. Except your method of swinging the pendulum back is to vote right along with people whose agenda is not equality. That makes you a tool.
I’m being generous. The alternative is what I, and others suspect; you have no intention of giving gays equal rights, and will fight them at every turn, while trying to make us believe you only have the most innocent of intentions.
I have exposed you for what you are.
Deal.
It’s not that we don’t understand your position. You believe that heterosexual marriage represents an ideal, because it leads to procreation. Except when it doesn’t, and ignoring the fact that gay couples also have children. Gay marriage falls short of this ideal, although you can’t provide any concrete way it’s different from heterosexual marriage in its functions. The state should only promote the ideal, because otherwise something bad might happen, but you don’t know what, let alone how.
The part that people don’t understand is how you can look at that ridiculous patchwork of guesses and suppositions, entirely unsupported by anything resembling a fact, compare it to the demonstrable fact that denying gay marriage causes real and tangible harm to millions of people, and think that it in anyway justifies the way you voted. You’re taking a half-baked, barely articulate principle, and placing that above the lives of other human beings. And that is monstrous.
I believe the term “shove it up your ass” is a metaphor, and not a literal threat, Magellan. He’s telling you to metaphorically take your ideas and shove them up your ass. Ideas are not physical things, so therefore no penetration is occurring.
So you don’t have to worry about it.
Though you really do seem concerned with it- so don’t worry about it. When most people say “fuck you” it’s usually not a literal one, but more of an empathetic statement meant to denote anger. They’re not threating bodily harm to you.
Sheesh.
Ok this is rather funny*. On behalf of OneNewsNow (part of the American Family Association) Michelle Malkin, who is now one of their regular writers, decries the anti-gay blacklist (A list of those that donated to the yes on 8 campaign) as insane hate and bigotry. The list is to give people information so they can boycott those that contributed to taking away our rights.
What is just really odd about that is that the AFA is best known for their boycotts and probably wouldn’t exist today if not for the publicity of those boycotts. Disney, Ford, McDonalds and so on.
*by ‘funny’, I mean really sad and rather pathetically stupid.
So, you claim to be for complete legal equality for gay citizens. With legality of marriage, they have that equality, but just not exactly the way you would like it to look and sound. Your three options are:
(a) Vote No on Prop. 8 since that equality you value–while imperfectly conceived, as you might see it–is more important than the broad-based elimination of that equality.
(b) Not vote either way, because a Yes obviously means a significant step backwards in those rights you claim to stand up for so sincerely, but a No is tacit approval of something you don’t agree with either.
(c) Vote Yes on Prop. 8 since equality for gays only really matters when it looks and sounds and smells exactly like you want it, with no other reasonable manifestation remotely acceptable.
If you actually believe what you claim to, there is more intellectually honest justification for Options A & B than for C.
Essentially, if Equality can’t look exactly the way you want it to look, then you’d rather take it away from them than live with that equality being rendered “imperfect” in your eyes. And you would rather have them live without that equality (which they once legally had) and compel them to lobby for something more acceptable to them than have them live with that already-existing equality and feel forced to lobby on your own for something that’s more acceptable to you.
Their Equality is not as important as your Comfort. Gotcha.
Not quite. I favor equal rights for gays. I also favor restricting the meaning of “marriage” to mean a man and a woman. I see there is a way to have both, to pursue the route of fighting for the benefits marriage would bring without the imprimatur of “marriage”. I see this route as being something that can be given in one action (see my post to Heffalump and Roo on the previous page) or through attaining them one item at a time. Allowing SSM is crossing a Rubicon of sorts. I see no reason to risk the downside to society when there is another route available for gays to enjoy the privileges and benefits they’ve been arguing for (rightly) for so long. So, it is not so much my “comfort”, except if you define comfort to mean what I think is best for society.
Just want to point out - again - that these are mutually exclusive ideas.