The most famous couple to try this seems to be Brad Pitt and Angelina Jolie. If they can’t spur a movement like that, I’m not sure who could.
Personally, I’ve heard a few people make similar claims in real life and of the ones I’ve kept up with, all of them were married within 18 months.
Which usually results when there is too much indiscriminate bang bang bang.
Charlize Theron and Stuart Townsend have also referred to waiting until same sex marriage is legal.
Come to think of it, celebrities could have a “kiss-in” for equal rights. Instead of having the paparazi stalk them or crash their weddings, they could schedule a press conference instead and give the press an opportunity to photograph them making out for a good cause.
It is, after all, all about love.
Brad Pitt and Angelina Jolie supposedly have said they weren’t going to be getting married until gay marriage was legalized. The general response has been, “Good luck with that.”
You all seem to be missing the point: a majority of people voted to ban same-sex marriage. In three states. In a fourth they voted to ban same-sex couples from adopting or fostering children.
The majority of Americans do not want it to happen, therefore, it’s not going to happen. Civil unions, maybe, in a few more states, but we’re not going to get SSM any time in the foreseeable future. Someday, maybe, though I wouldn’t put money on it. But none of us here are going to see it happen within our lifetimes. It sucks*, but that’s the way it is. The people have spoken.
I, personally, am running out of fury over it. Religion will continue to rule the minds in this country, people will continue to be bigots, and there’s not a damn thing to be done about it.
*Insert sex joke here
Just please don’t get in the way of those of us who haven’t run out of fury.
Well, we didn’t anticipate the US going more socialist than Canada, either, and that happened two months ago, so I wouldn’t be making any bets about same sex marriage legalization.
The fundies I’ve seen will look at this…and be happy. “See?”, they’ll say, “Those people can see the light if they try. They just stopped trying.”
Makes me want to put a foot through the radio.
I had said it wasn’t going to happen when it came to electing a black president in the United States.
We’ll see.
No. There are verses of which one interpretation is that homosexual sex is wrong, but other interpretations do exist. (One reading of that verse, favored by some liberal Jews, is that it bans men sleeping with male prostitutes as part of some sort of pagan ritual.) Marriage is certainly not defined as one man and one woman anywhere in the Old Testament (I’m less knowledgeable about the New)- there are many, many instances of polygynous marriages. There are restrictions in Leviticus saying who you cannot marry (can’t marry your sister, that sort of thing).
Not that I think “what the Bible says about marriage” should have anything to do with what our laws say about marriage. And it doesn’t, always. The Bible (at least the Old Testament) gives quite a bit of ink to the idea that interfaith marriages are bad (much more than it spends talking about homosexuality), yet they are legal in our country.
Speaking of interfaith marriages, I think they illustrate why churches will not be forced to marry gay couples if they think it goes against what they believe. Orthodox and Conservative Judaism are opposed to marriages between Jews and non-Jews. We won’t let our rabbis officiate at an interfaith wedding (any wedding where you’ve heard about a rabbi and another clergy person officiating generally doesn’t involve a Conservative or Orthodox rabbi). We won’t let an interfaith wedding ceremony be performed in one of our synagogues. As far as I know, no Conservative or Orthodox synagogue has ever been successfully sued to force them to allow an interfaith wedding. There’s no reason to think that the situation would be any different with churches and same-sex wedding ceremonies.
Well, that explains why the South still has segregation and abortion is still illegal in this country, but what about same-sex marriage?
My (admittedly non-expert) understanding is that the reform and conservative branches interpret the bits in the Levitical law that way.
The story of Sodom is discussed in the Babylonian Talmud…sanhedrin 109 I believe and is understood to not be about sex at all. When discussing the ‘sin of Sodom’ they talk about pride, lack of hospitality etc. Actually lack of hospitality doesn’t even seem to be begin to cover it. The citizens of Sodom were downright xenophobic, cruel people. But it doesn’t appear they were all gang rapists as the current christian church would have us believe.
I went to Jewish Sunday school when I grew up, and I can confirm that we were taught that the most important sins of Sodom and Gomorrah were not sexual in nature.
See, you’re actually the one missing the point, NinjaChick. Do you think it’s over? That’s it? Now that prop 8 and other hate bills have a “mandate” the gays are just going to say “oh well, we tried, let’s go watch tv”? Did the blacks? Did the suffragists?
The whole point of my op is that this will never be over until gays get equal rights. Say it with me: This. Will. Not. End. Until. Gays. Have. Equal. Rights.
I see both sides of most majors issues, even though I favor one side of most of them.
I see both sides of the gun issue.
I see both sides of the death penalty.
I see both sides of abortion.
Of taxes.
Of drug laws.
I’ve even forced myself to dig deep down and see both sides of the war.
But I don’t see both sides of this. It’s hate. It is the unadulterated legislation of bigotry and spite. It’s unAmerican, it’s anti-Live Free or Die, anti-Don’t Tread On Me, anti-United We Stand. And it will end. Sooner than you think. Someone could have written your post about blacks in 1963, NinjaChick, and look what happened the very next year. There is a reason the founding fathers did not design this country as a Democracy, and you’re seeing it in action.
That’s bullshit plain and simple. I’ve written in other threads about how amazingly accepting most high school kids are nowadays about gay classmates. Sure there’s still a few bigots, but I graduated HS in 1999 (the same as Cisco in fact, so we know what we’re talking about) and out classmates was unheard of. Actually, no one was out. Not even to their closest friends. In less than ten years, that attitude has disappeared.
And when those kids are of voting age (which all of them will be in four years), the SSM marriage bans will fall like dominos.
Absolutely, it is hate.
I was speaking rashly, I guess, when I said it’s not going to happen. I don’t know that. What I do know is that it’s unbelievably unlikely that any of us will see it within our lifetime. It took a hundred years from the end of slavery to de jure equality, and no sane person would say that non-whites have achieved true equality in America today.
Gay rights became an issue…what, thirty years ago? And we have the force of the behemoth of all of the major religions in the country against us. Racism is a “they’re different and scary” issue, homophobia is a “God says so” issue. Here is a map displaying when anti-sodomy laws were repealed. Note that half of the nation had anti-sodomy laws at least until 1989. Most of them had laws on the books until Lawrence v. Texas. Why? Because straight people, particularly religious straight people - who are the overwhelming majority of this country - hate gay people because some old book says it’s wrong and you’ll burn in hell if you don’t try to get them to stop being gay.
Part of it is that there’s no real, cohesive movement. You draw comparisons between this and civil rights - okay, where’s our Jesse Jackson or MLK? Where are our sit-ins and our marches on Washington?
Look, optimism is great, but a little bit naive. Obama didn’t get elected in part by overcoming racism, he got elected in part because he was standing on the shoulders of a hundred, two hundred years of abolitionists and civil-rights activists. What do we in the GLBT community have? Nothing. It’s not impossible, but I think full equality is something of a Sisyphean task.
Or maybe I’m just a coward who can’t deal with the inevitable heartbreak of, yet again, being relegated to second-class citizen. Maybe I just don’t have the intestinal fortitude to keep taking it personally. All I know for sure is that there’s a hell of a lot more of Them than Us, and usually that doesn’t work out so well for the little guy.
I think you’re wrong about just about everything in that post.
This isn’t the 1860s anymore, a few rights but not equal rights will never fly for any group of people for 100 years anymore.
And religious bigots are not the majority in this country. That is just foolish talk that, honestly, has no basis in reality.
As for the movement, it’s online and it’s in high schools. That’s how things will change. And if you don’t believe that, surf around Facebook for awhile on any of the gay rights-related groups. These people are young. They’re ready for a fight. And they vote.
It won’t happen overnight, but I am positive that the future kids my wife and I plan to have will grow up in a world where being gay is no big thing.
The truly weird thing about this, is that it will have no effect on the amount of gay sex that’s going on. There can’t possibly be a gay couple holding themselves in celibacy, whilst waiting for marriage.
There’s a disturbing image. A couple of guys jumping around like they’ve got to take the world’s biggest piss screaming, “Come on! Let us get married! We want teh buttsex!”
