Gay members: a question.

Are you still(or ever) attracted to the opposite sex? Would that make you bi? :confused:

This belongs in IMHO.

I believe reprise is correct; moving from GQ to IMHO.

If you’re purely gay (a 6, IIRC, on the Kinsey scale), you’re attracted solely to members of your own sex. So a naked member of the opposite sex is about as arousing to you as a naked soda can.

However, as you’ll see lots of people say, sexuality isn’t all about 1s and 3s and 6s on the scale. I’m around a 2 and a half (;)); I’m attracted more definitely to women than to men, but I’m definitely attracted to both.

And finally, it’s extremely possible (as, for example, gobear will tell you) to be gay and find someone of the opposite sex attractive but not be drawn sexually toward them, just as it’s possible to admire particular features on a person (or even the entire physical deal) but not be sexually attracted to them.

A caveat, though: just as a heterosexual person isn’t necessarily attracted to every member of the opposite gender, a homosexual isn’t necessarily attracted to every member of their gender nor is a bisexual man, for example, a walking erection when in the presence of someone else.

I’m a dyke and I like it that way… but every once in a blue moon, I’ll come across a guy (so to speak! LMAO) and I’ll have a sexual thought about him…then I’ll sort of stop and think about it … and always, 100% of the time, my reaction is…

EWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW!
LMAO :slight_smile:
Max

Sure. I can appreciate a nice looking lady at any time. I am not, however, appreciating them the same way my straight guy friends are (in other words, I don’t slobber and fall out of the booth at the restaurant while craning to stare at the buxom waitress with the short skirt :smiley: )

A nice looking gentleman walks by, however (OK, I’ll admit it - anything with a penis walks by…) and I tend to completely lose my train of thought and stare a bit.

But yes, I have a number of lady friends that I find attractive and nice and sweet and very huggable. I just don’t think of them in a sexual way.

Different people have different orientations; not all gay people are alike, especially in terms of their sexual preferences.

Personally, I’ve slept with a couple of women. Neither time was it anything spectacular. One was just a one-time thing, the other was an ongoing experiment on both our parts, which eventually culminated in a three way between her, myself, and my boyfriend at the time. It was fun.

But my primary attraction is, and has always been, guys. Even right at puberty, when I was just starting to think about sex, I had fantasies about other guys. One or two incidents of sleeping with women doesn’t make me bi, any more than one night’s sex with me made a straight friend of mine bi.

If a straight guy looks at another man and thinks ‘Wow, he’s built,’ that doesn’t automatically shove him into the bi category; it wasn’t necessarily a sexual thought, it could have been an aesthetic appreciation of the human form. Likewise, I can marvel at the Barbie-like qualities of, say, Jeri Ryan without ever wanting to take her home and mess up the sheets with her, and that doesn’t make me any less gay.

But, if I was to spend a lot of time fantasizing about her, it might kick me over toward the center of the Kinsey scale a bit.

Which brings me to understand that there’s a problem with the terms of the question being asked. There’s a tendency to describe sexuality in terms of three possible orientations, straight, gay and bi, when in reality, there’s more variation than that. A useful tool for understanding the nature of human sexual orientation is the Kinsey Scale:

It should also be noted that the Kinsey Institute recognizes that there are two components to the sexuality they measure with this scale; fantasy and sexual activity. Both are an integral part of orientation.

So, it’s just not a simple question. The determination of one’s sexual orientation can be a difficult process, especially if one doesn’t fit into an orientation that society percieves as normal. There’s a tendency to shove people into rigid categories, when realistically human sexuality is a flexible, multifaceted spectrum. And figuring out where someone fits into this broad range of sexual orientation is a complex process.

The only other thing I’d like to add, without being too pedantic, is that the only person who can really, truly say what someone’s orientation is, is that person. If I was to sleep with three women a week, and still maintain that I’m gay, that’s my perogative. Only I know what’s going on in my head. If I say that I’m bi, but only sleep with men, then I’m bi; it’s nobody’s right to tell me what my orientation is. Orientation can only be determined from within.

I’ve had a “girlfriend”, and yes we slept together, but it was more about who she was as a person than her naughty bits.
I don’t get a hard on at the sight of boobies.

Oh dear.

This sort of thing comes up all the time (as the man said).

I was involved with a gay social services center for many years, and a great many men who clearly regarded themselves as “genuinely” gay nevertheless had a good deal of heterosexual activity in their pasts. Some–many–had fathered children. They had been able to get it up with women…and not always by fantasizing about men.

Some of these men said that they had just plain changed at some point–from hetero to homo. I believe them–who else but they are in a position to judge?

The more common story was that they had always known that they had a predominant attraction to men, but had tried with some success to suppress it.

Then there are self-described gay men–a small percentage–who find the bodies of women more stimulating in during the coital act, but not visually stimulating.

And then there is the question of love. The kind of love that you “fall in.” I’m willing to say that if you can fall romantico-sexually in love with at least one member of either sex, you are to some small degree bisexual. Otherwise, not.

(Incidentally, I regard that kind of love as distinct and specific. It is not just a “passionate friendship” or some such thing. If you’ve never felt it, you won’t know what I mean.)

I myself have never fallen in love with a woman.

Sexually attracted? No.

Intellectually and emotionally attracted? Sometimes.

How do fantasies and infatuations factor in here? You meet or see someone you wouldn’t normally be attracted to and there’s this chemical thing going on. You don’t necessarliy want to have sex with them, but it isn’t entirely un-romantic, either. You find yourself thinking about them a lot, fantasizing about being with them, maybe they appear in your dreams and the dreams feel really, really good, but not “wet dream” erotic or anything. But somehow you suspect that if that person threw themselves at you, or seduced you, you probably wouldn’t, or couldn’t refuse.

Does this tip you one way or the other on the Kinsey scale?

From my authoritative position as nobody in particular, I can say that I really don’t know. An individual attraction can be a one-time fluke; I had a guy tell me once that I was the only guy he’d ever consider sleeping with. (That one’s really good for the ego.)

Frankly, who gives a good goddamn about where you stand on the Kinsey scale? That’s between you and Kinsey, and I think Kinsey’s dead. The scale is just a handy measurement tool, but it doesn’t give you the fine details of human sexuality. It doesn’t tell you anything about an individual, it’s only really useful in terms of statistics.

If there’s someone you want to sleep with, evaluate the consequences, and then decide whether you want to sleep with them. Don’t base your decision on where you stand on a measurement scale; ‘I’d love to boff that guy, but I’m a Kinsey 2’ is kinda ridiculous. Base it on whether you think you can handle it, whether your potential partner is into it, whether either of you is currently seriously involved, and whether you really, really want to.

Meanwhile, keep in mind that the Kinsey scale is a bell curve. Very few people live at either end; most of us wander about the grey area in the middle. If you’re having same-sex fantasies, all it means is that you have some same-sex fantasies. Don’t worry about what to label yourself. Just make sure to be considerate and responsible towards the people you care about.

Voyeuristic necrophile … and you kept it hidden so well for so long!:wink:

Attracted: Sometimes.
Romantically attracted: Never.

Why don’t these things get posted in AtGG? :frowning:

Kinsey 6 here, and even I can admit to being sexually aroused by Sophia Loren. I just wish more straight men would admit that they can be attracted to one guy and still be straight.

Esprix

I would’ve asked, but You probably answered it and I can’t read thru 1000+ posts of answers…

One of my friends (he’s bi) asks me this question all the frickin’ time. The first time was OK, but it’s getting to be a bit of a habit now. To say it pisses me off would be a major understatement, and recently it got to the point where I told him how much the questioning bothered me.

In all fairness, I can see where he’s coming from. He simply can’t comprehend that I only find men sexually attractive, and could never get it on with a woman. Likewise, I wonder how on earth he could ever bring himself to do THAT with a girl; the difference being, I don’t quiz him on the subject.

FWIW, while I can recognise that a woman looks pretty or has the “wow” factor, that’s as far as it goes. Other than conversation or possible friendship, nothing will ever happen between us. I’m exclusively gay (realised that when my first attraction was for another guy!), and have never once felt the need to explore other options.

I had a rude answer in reply, but I’ll just say that posting any GLBT-related questions in the ATGG threads is always appropriate.

Esprix

Not necessarily, Esprix. The “Ask The Gay Guy” threads were, by topic, specifically asking your insights on gay matters. Posters may want input from a variety of gay folks.

Not trying to rain on your parade here, but I don’t want people left with the impression that GLBT threads are in any way limited as to placement. They should go wherever posters feel is most appropriate for their inquiry.

IOTW, you can always come to GLBT discussions anywhere but GLBT discussions can’t all be channeled into your threads.

Veb

Was I rude?
(I’m confused)