This is Great Debates. Why would someone “seek information” here as opposed to GQ?
Well, that’s certainly revealing.
Not really, since I already stated upthread that I was here to debate, and that if this ever became a reading room I was out of here.
ETA: Would you disapprove of a trial attorney or a college or high school debater who tried to win?
I would certainly fire a trial attorney that refuse to examine evidence from the opposing side or present any him/herself.
Slacker,
Many of us learn (perhaps best learn) through the process of debating and sometimes even end up convinced of positions other than what we initially had held through that process. Sometimes we end up with the same position but what we have learned during the process of debate has still deepened our understanding of the issues and provided us with much new information.
Those here who hold on to positions stubbornly, uninterested in learning anything, even after evidence has been amply provided that they are factually incorrect, only wanting “to win”, (and we’ve definitely seen some of that in this thread) usually end up as objects of derision round these parts.
This is not high school debate club or a court room in which the goal is to win whether or not you hold a particular position to be true or not.
Just sayin’
Not here to score popularity points, though not to purposely alienate or piss people off either. But I’m definitely not swayed by appeals to go along to get along. Those just get my dander up and incite me to stubborn resistance.
Maybe not to you. But I’d venture that each of us can decide that for ourselves; and as it is titled “Great Debates”, it strikes me as not a huge stretch to treat it as akin to a high school or college debate situation. Also strikes me that on a debate board of all places, you’re unlikely to get unanimity, even on “what the board is for”.
P.S. I’ve been posting on one incarnation or the other of the SDMB (plus AFCA) since the 1990s, so I don’t need the “show the newbie the ropes” introduction…kthxbai
This isn’t a debate, it’s an argument.
Ignoring the bigotry of people who originally start movements is pretty common. I mean, Susan B. Anthony was an extreme racist, but we shouldn’t expect or want the modern feminism movement to be racist, too.
So Slacker … you’ve been here a long time. No accusation being made here. Please explain to me how your version of engaging in a GD thread without requiring belief in the poisition you stake out and without interest in learning any new information, just to argue with the aim of “winning” an argument … and trolling?
Again I am not accusing you of anything; I am asking for you to clarify how you believe those behaviors differ. In fact I do think that it is huge stretch to treat this forum as a place to stake out positions just for the fun of arguing a point including disingenuously to see if you can “win” a rhetorical game. From its description, it is “for long-running discussions of the great questions of our time …” But I am no mod so its not up to me.
You don’t care what others think, fine. But be it your purpose or not using this forum in that manner does piss others off.
You’ve been here that long, yet still get the gist of what this forum is about?
That’s not a debate, that’s people reeling off their opinions. All ideas are equally good if we don’t judge them against the facts.
To late to edit-“don’t get the gist…”
This is absolute unmitigated bullshit. One of the primary remaining regrets a post-op transwoman tends to have is that she cannot bear children. Absolute. Bullshit. I defy them or you to present any studies or surveys to support this assertion. Post them.
It’s fun to cherry-pick mouthpieces from around the net to support your position, isn’t it? I won’t join in.
Bless you, Lamia, for posting that.
Feminist hostility to transexuals is simply a really stupid mistake that has been / will be dropped.
A bit like progressives supporting eugenics, once upon a time.
If all I did was reel off opinions, you wouldn’t see nearly so many quotes in my posts. I do respond to the arguments of others, link to sources, etc. You are entitled to think I do not do so sufficiently to prove my case, but I just have to smirk at the “glass houses stone throwing” from people who stubbornly cling to their position no matter what, coming back with unfalsifiable, no-true-Scotsman “rebuttals” of any source which contradicts their dearly held dogma.
http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=3213883&postcount=127
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Eve, I wish. I really wish I could have children of my own, and there’s nothing I can do to accomplish that. Not that that’s unique to me; there are lots of infertile women out there who would do almost anything to be able to get pregnant, even down to those crazy Saudis and their uterine transplants.
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For the newer posters here- KellyM is a transwoman. Here we see her saying that she’d happily get a uterine transplant- if she thought it would work.
I know of at least two other transwomen I’ve met on the internet who would happily get a uterine transplant and get pregnant if that were possible, even if that assured a C-section and various other interventions, but they are informed enough to realize that it’s not possible, not with our current medical technology. So this notion that transwomen are willing to go all the way to getting actually pregnant doesn’t seem born out by my experience.
I would get a uterine and ovarian implant, were it possible. Even though I’m past the age where it would be relatively safe to give birth.