Rather than let this thread go totally off-topic–I’m starting this new one to debate the following topics:
- Is there a point to executing people?
- For what crimes (and/or the intentions behind those) would execution be advised if not already?
- Is there a point at which we should determine that guilty is guilty, or can we never determine enough guilt to morally execute a person?
- What about if a person is found out to have been innocent after having been executed?
Now as this is beginning from a debate already in motion–Sage Rat vs. Lissa!–I would just like to point out that: I have very little time to do research nor to follow any sort of journals or such. Of course it is my intention to do as good a job as I can to support my opinion with facts but I am largely hoping others can pop in with any sources they know of that are from reliable sources on the net that I can look over. (Please.)
So my responses:
Yes. I believe that there are people in the world, which the world would be safest to just get rid of and have done with it. Bringing out Hitler is generally viewed as bad form, but this is a well known and good example of what I mean. Yes if you caught Hitler and put him in a secret room entirely separated and without any contact with humanity–there is little to worry about. But I see no point in expending any resources to do so–and the possibility of his breaking lose, writing and publishing a book to guide little Hitlers, or whatnot all go away as well.
Please note that I don’t view death as a bad thing, just nothing; so this wouldn’t be an act of cruelty nor punishment. And I doubt the death of anyone I am discussing would have any effect on this class of person to deter their behavior–so this wouldn’t be a matter of deterring crime.
So far as I would be concerned, anyone who solely gains pleasure from doing things superiorly harmful to others, is better off executed. This would include serial killers, rapists, pedophiles, and such. And as noted, since I don’t view death as a bad thing, I personally view rapists and pedophiles as having commited worse crimes than murderers; their victims will be affected for life.
I can expound on this further, but that’s the gist.
I do agree that someone who has been found guilty and given the death penalty should have a chance to combat this. I do not think that it should cost more to allow this than it would cost to keep a person incarcerated for the rest of his life as theoretically this is just a matter of plugging the person into the wall-socket or what have you. If it is impossible to provide a reasonable chance to combat your charges for a budget less than keeping you until you die; unless those numbers are drastically different I would still opt for the execution because it is inherently more effective and because “it’s not my fault that lawyers charge a lot.”
Specifically, my reasoning is that in the initial trial, for the person to have been convicted he had to have proven “guilty beyond reasonable doubt” before a jury of impartial and fair peers, with no need to prove innocence and every chance to instill doubt. So this is already close enough to 100% guilty that I’m pretty convinced–the system was indeed set up this way for just that reason.
While I could be convinced that a Statute of Limitations is not necessary for conviction (specifically concerning worse crimes)–when it comes to revoking guilt as already proven in a fairly conducted trial, I see no reason to give anyone more than 5 years. After that point memories will be gone, any extreme public hatred against you will have faded, new evidence extrememly unlikely, and just generally it would seem extraneous to proceed past that. Similarly, I see no reason to allow more than one chance to contest the charge–you have already been found 99.999% guilty.
Certainly it will happen eventually–after all nothing is perfect. But that fact is something I am sure all members of the trials’ jury members will have on their mind when they decide their verdict. No one person proclaims guilt and no one person caries out the execution–this is good enough for me.