Absolutely. I have, and others have.
No. I’m not seeing it your way because yours isn’t a fair comparative assessment of the issues, and I have no need to merge the two to prove a point. You do.
Well, the other thread has been closed, which in itself goes a long way to proving clairobscur’s point if you ask me. People will try every way they can to avoid an honest reckoning with the fact that forcible genital mutilation of screaming helpless children is wrong, regardless of gender.
More evidence. This is low, even for the Pit. And yes, I do have custody. 
Joint custody of my older two from my first marriage and (obviously) I live with my current wife and our two younger kids.
ETA: Still getting used to my oldest being in college. :smack: Correction: no one has custody of him!
Eh, the OP of the other thread agreed that it would be good for him to drop the topic and think about something else. I think he’d said everything he really wanted to say, and the people who wanted to reply had a chance.
He had just posted again. And of course, closing a thread is an excellent way to make it drop down the page so no one else will see it unless they search for it. (I have often joined threads long after their inception, because I finally got curious to see what all the fuss was about.)
It really was not getting negative in the way GD threads usually are when they get closed. I think it speaks to the discomfort people have about even discussing the issue at all.
Anyhow, you can no longer gripe that we should piss off to that other thread…
The OP was not Blarlon, it was another person whose actual opening including this
and do not be so naive and foolish as to bother with this other person, he loves the baiting games.
Oh, right, the OP was some crazy person who then disappeared. Thanks.
the join date is 2006, hundreds of posts… not just a random guest.
but the conversation yes was impregnated with the nasty anti semetism.
as for the slacker person, he loves making people dance, and since his performance of the other pit thread has declined, he needs this new game.
Ramira, thank you. You irritated me with your imputation that this was a “new game” for me, rather than the truth: that it is a very long-held activism that I am very knowledgeable about and which is in fact core to who I am. So I Googled for some evidence to back me up on this point.
And this blog post from 2010 doesn’t just prove my bonafides, it contains a truly edifying goldmine of a comments section, with some great information and arguments:
Those comments have fantastic potential to eradicate ignorance. So I thank you for spurring me to rediscover them!
On the SDMB itself, I found a 2017 thread that references me on the topic, but one I did not apparently actually post in: https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=20165560&postcount=97
So clearly there were earlier threads I was involved in, but those didn’t pop up on Google (at least not early enough for me to see them).
Here’s a pair of tweets from six months ago where I commented about a podcast that dealt with circumcision: https://twitter.com/slackerinc/status/1002554299451428864?s=21
The oldest cite I found is from 2005, back in my salad days: http://www.boomantribune.com/story/2005/3/20/18453/6879#13
So no: not exactly a “new game” for me. :dubious:
BTW, Ramira (off topic so in spoiler tags):
Another comment in that same thread shows that my concerns as expressed in the Sam Harris thread are not exactly new, and not something I copied from Sam. I hadn’t even heard of him at this point.
http://www.boomantribune.com/story/2005/3/20/18453/6879#14
You really think telling people that circumcision is worse than child molestation is helping your cause? :dubious:
Go fuck yourself.
I’m wondering why we don’t circumcise animals. If it’s good enough for humans, why not our pets?
I realize making this comparison is going to emotionally trigger people, but I stand by it. Notwithstanding the good intentions of the doctor, and the parents who signed the consent form, it doesn’t matter from the point of view of the baby who is experiencing excruciating pain. He is going to experience that as a very traumatic event.
We don’t give them root canals, either, so I don’t see your point.
As a male who has experienced both let me say I find your position complete bullshit. Unless your molester is incredibly bad at his job you’re not going to ever compare the events. Let’s see, something I have no memory of or the incredibly physical, mental and emotional pain that pretty much soured me on human contact forever. Not even close which one is more traumatic.
My circumcision never had me at the age of ten plotting how I was going to kill a man and the hold up wasn’t not getting caught but what would happen if I failed which would have been much worse.
I find your statement insulting quite frankly but you have the pleasure of not walking in shoes similar to those I had to walk. Lucky you.
[edited to add] I am sorry the state of your penis bothers you so much. I really do but come on, not even close.
You need serious help.
Yeah. Just in case the pet-circumcision question was anything other than pure silliness, the penises of, e.g., dogs and cats are different from those of humans in a number of ways. (Note: IANA vet but I’m pretty confident about the following basic information from Dr. Google.)
Dog and cat penises have an internal bone and are usually entirely contained within the furry prepuce, being extruded only when erect. In fact, at birth the penis is completely fused with the interior of the prepuce, via connective tissue that breaks down naturally during the animal’s pubertal development.
Dogs and cats can suffer from phimosis which in some cases is treated with surgery, but AFAIK it would be extremely damaging and possibly disabling to try to separate a normal dog or cat penis from its prepuce surgically. Although I’m not an advocate of human infant male circumcision, it’s absurd to try to extrapolate from it to any kind of argument about preputial surgery on pets.
To be fair, although the comparison of infant circumcision with deliberate child molestation is disgusting in a number of ways, I think the parallel was originally set up as a comparison between two unique events hypothetically experienced in early infancy.
That is, if a baby is going to be subjected to one act of physical intrusion that he won’t have any conscious memory of, would it be less bad for that act to be a single episode of molestation that doesn’t do any physical damage, or the permanent removal of his foreskin by circumcision?
While I don’t see how any rational person could contemplate that scenario as in any way a meaningful or tolerable choice, I also don’t consider it equivalent to comparing circumcision with the ongoing molestation of a child old enough to be aware of what’s happening.
He was obviously talking about it happening only in infancy, probably just once (like circumcision). So none of that applies in the slightest.
I had a foster kitten circumcised. He had phimosis, and couldn’t pee. It saved his life.
(Maybe the operation wasn’t exactly the same thing as a human circumcision. I don’t know. It was certainly the same general thing.)
And yeah, fondling an infant’s penis once doesn’t harm the infant. Probably every parent has done more-or-less that in the process of cleaning up a particularly messy diaper. But when you talk about children being molested, you aren’t talking about an infant who was handled once and doesn’t remember it. You are talking about children who remember being treated as sexual objects by adults. And there seem to be a few men on this board who remember that. You aren’t making any friends or winning any allies by bringing it up.
(You are making a case for why infant circumcision is better than later circumcision, though.)
Which reminds me – I’m pretty sure the girl that this thread started about
- was old enough to remember it.
- was old enough to consent or object.
- was lied to about what was going to happen.
- was forced.
So what happened to her was a hell of a lot worse than infant male circumcision. Even if they didn’t remove more than what would have been removed on a male. There’s something really horrible about lying to a child before violating their sexual organs.