Does it really make sense to say this? Think about it - are parents and children really selfish psychopaths? Or does society really function pretty well despite people having children, and your assertion here is retardedly overblown hyperbole regarding a lack of agreement about normative behavior?
Good, considerate parents are the ones who put prioritize the care and comfort of their children over the irrational sensibilities of germophobic offenderati.
Gee Cat Whisperer, got tired of the chatroom comments, eh? I got tired of 'em, too. Maybe someone will quote you so I can see what you’ve had to say for yourself.
I reckon every single one of is tormented by the boorish inconsiderate assholes on the hone hand and the insufferable “offenderati” on the other. It’s absolutely never ever us, though. I do know that. We’re perfect.
Have you been reading the thread at all? There have been examples of this happening here, plus the fact that essentially all national brand diaper ads talk about how well they fit, which tends to indicate that the cheaper brands leak. Also, as it has been pointed out here, not all babies wear something on their bottoms other than a diaper.
Of course, because those “good, considerate parents” you talk about didn’t bother to clean it up. No the restaurant would have, and if that shit had any of the kinds of germs that can be in feces, they are likely still on that table.
Neither do you. If you have any manners at all however, you do not sit something that may or may not have shit it’s pants on a restaurant table.
It would be your business if you saw it happening fairly frequently, to the point that you don’t know if the table you are sitting at has been recently pissed on.
No, you can’t. There is no way that you know that every baby out there is properly diapered in a quality product, changed when it has been used and containing a digestive system that isn’t currently afflicted with diarrhea. There is a very slim possibility that any baby you are with is perfect, but those around you do not know that and since there is no need for the baby to sit on the table, the “good, considerate parents” sit it in a high chair or booster.
Cite?
Quite a few of them are. Just the fact that you and Dio feel you have some God given right to sit your diapered kid on a restaurant table in the face of many people finding that disgusting and possibly dangerous to their health shows how selfish you are. Add in those that see nothing wrong with changing a diaper on that table, those who leave dirty diapers on tables, on the ground at rest areas, etc and all the other anti-social things that far too many parents do these days and you start pushing into psychopathic. Are you really so blind that you don’t see these things?
Good, considerate parents are - wow! - considerate of the feelings of people other than themselves and their kids, and actually teach that consideration to their children. Good, considerate parents don’t put making things easier for themselves over the sensibilities of others, particularly when it should be obvious to all but the most baby-blinded that many others don’t appreciate you not wanting to inconvenience yourself at their expense.
Good, considerate parents do not consider making life easier for themselves as prioritizing the care and comfort of their children.
I’m selfishly arguing for a right that I don’t personally need? Previously you suggested that I might feel guilt about this. A guilt-feeling psychopath?
I don’t think you know what these words mean.
I do love your slippery slope though - it reveals what a crazy person you are. Babies in clean clothes on tables leads to changing diapers on tables leads to leaving dirty diapers at rest stops leads to psychopathy! Thank you for representing your side of the argument so very, very well.
Of course we can. Researchers love to do bacterial counts on anything they can swab and see where the most abundant nasties are hanging out the most. Any microbiology student has done this experiment.
But since you’ve already said you’re unwilling to read any citations, no, I don’t think I’ll waste my time hunting the numbers up. Goggle it yourself.
On Penn & Teller’s: Bullshit! they took a group of people and swabbed their asses (they didn’t swab the actual anus but they did spread cheeks to get close) and their hands. The hands came up as more infested with germs in every case. I think it’s fair to say that your hands are dirtier than Dio’s kids’ pants. Sorry.
If adult’s hands are dirty, just think of what is on children’s hands! By gum, the nerve of some people exposing the world to the deadly containments that babies exude! If you are going to take anyone under the age of 18 anywhere, a responsible parents really ought to spring for a biohazard suit, or at least a plastic bag with an air hole. But really, why do kids have to leave the house anyway? If you want your kid to go outside, stick to Gymboree or something. It’s not fair for the rest of us!
This topic is petering out and I would like to re-invigorate it. I’m curious how we collectively feel about pee seepage. Is it cool to get pee on a dining table in a restaurant? I see Diogenes thinks it is acceptable, but how do others feel?
At my age, it’s too late, even if I wanted them. I did end up raising my last two brothers until they were about eight so I’ve done my duty!
Apparently you don’t understand the difference between a “right” or a “need”, and something you want to do because it makes your life easier. Try this - when I am driving across the desert, it would make my life much easier if I could bring my dog into the places I stop instead of having to search for shade for the car. But, even tho he is legally allowed to go in since he is a service dog, if I won’t be needing him, I leave him in the car. There are weird people in this world that freak out if a dog is in a store or restaurant you know…
Since I didn’t say that, I do wonder who the crazy person here is.
He cannot, however, prove that at all times my hands have more germs on them than any random baby’s butt, or even his baby’s butt. Particularly since the average baby’s butt comes in contact with more potentially germy things than my hands do most days, and my hands tend to get washed more times during those days than the baby’s butt.
That isn’t what I said but you go ahead and believe it if you want. You seem to have a problem with reading what you want to see, instead of what is actually there.
When you squish them them, babies not only seep, they actually splort, so how about a compromise – if you are so uncouth as to put your baby on a public dining table, at least have the good manners to not squish it while it is on the table. I realize that the odds of such seepage making it up off the table and onto a plate are slim, and I realize that the odds of a splortage actully hitting a patron at another table are slim, but some consideraton should be given by parent of infants to the civilized public. Please stop squishing that genetically related shit bag you haul around with you, and if you can not resist the temptation to pop it like the zit on your spouse’s ass, at least don’t do it while your progeny is laid out on the table like a thanksgivign turkey.