Yes, but the poster said he/she is from the north and that nearly everyone he/she knows over 40 went to a segregated school. I’m just interested to know the northern state where segregated schools were that ubiquitous in the '70s. I’m 41 and was raised in the North with friends and relatives spread around, but I don’t know a single person my age who went to a segregated school.
Detroit was still segregated at that time, but it was more of a white flight thing than a “blacks go here” thing.
Slightly off-topic, but I’m not sure businesses should be allowed to discriminate in terms of customers, even when a protected class isn’t involved. You don’t want to serve some segments of the public? Don’t open a business. You’ve dreamed of opening a business? You’re taking on the responsibility to be open to the public. You’ve dreamed of opening a business that discriminates? Then you’re a terrible person and I don’t see why the law needs to accommodate you.
I’d be willing to make limited exceptions for, like, known shoplifters, but not much beyond that.
And AFAIK these same hotels have no problems with locals who book online or over the phone.
Online reservations were new when I was in the biz. The only times I remembered locals calling in was for fumigation or painting, which is fine. But if a local booked in advance, I think it’d be fine. Trouble makers don’t tend to plan ahead like that.
So I should have to give a bunch of drunk 18 year olds hauling cases of beer free reign over a room full of my furniture and electronics, which I bought, and which I rely on for my livelihood? Knowing full well that they can’t pay for any damages and even if they could I’d probably never collect?
Landlords get to choose tenants that will pay their rent and not trash the place. I don’t see why it should be different for very short term landlords.
If they come in drunk that’s close to the shoplifter exception. If they merely come in 18 …
ETA: That said, you can impose a no alcohol rule on 18-year-olds, or anyone.
I’m not sure I agree for landlords either, especially for non-owner-occupied housing.
Your rule would require the authors of local codes to presume any possible conditions that would warrant an exception. What constitutes a “known shoplifter”? One who’s already been convicted? Would stores have to post pictures of those who will be excluded? What about hotels that don’t want a bunch of drunks crashing in? How drunk do they have to be to get excluded? How do you tell they’re drunk enough to be excluded? Is it the desk clerk’s discretion? Are they qualified to properly discern drunkenness? What’s to stop them from just saying “they looked drunk to me”? What if a restaurants doesn’t feel a customer is properly dressed? By what standard do they use?
Each local business would have to lobby for it’s own exceptions, which means you’d end up with so many exceptions any law would become a jumbled, unenforceable mess. The bottom line is that it’s in each business’s best interest to accommodate as many customers as possible. If they’re willing to turn a paying customer away (outside of protected classes, of course), it usually means experience has given them a good reason.
Car rental companies only rent to drivers 25 and over. That may vary a bit from one company to the next, but you’d be hard-pressed to find one that will rent to anyone under 20. Why? Because 18-year-olds are shitheads behind the wheel.
You might want to start a thread in GD about this.
We deny people rooms and kick them out of rooms all the time. If you are going to cuss at my staff, you are getting kicked out, you don’t have that right. If you smoke in a room, you are getting kicked out. And you know what? Just because you have a medical marijuana card doesn’t mean you can smoke in a non-smoking hotel. You want to pay cash and don’t have a reservation? Yeah, we’re not renting you a room. I don’t care if you live around the block or across the country.
And yes, there is a class that is quietly (very quietly) discriminated against in hospitality. But it isn’t blacks or Jews or hookers (although hookers are bad for business).
OK, I’ll bite. Whom are you talking about?
…or are you just referring to the “local address” problem we’ve been discussing? Feel free to PM me if you prefer.
(My first guess is folks without credit cards, but from the timbre of this discussion, I imagine that’s more of a gimmie.)
Somewhat off-topic as well as obsolete, but in Germany (at least until the 1970s), there used to be exclusion zones around casinos (which are run by the government): If you resided within a distance of 50(?) kilometers of a casino, you were legally banned from gambling there.
I’m trying to think too, but I’m really not sure who she means…
Around here you get country bumpkins without credit cards coming for a weekend in the city, so we had no problem with that, though they are also a certain recognisable “type” that we made an exception for. Especially the Belgians. They seem like a nation entirely free from credit cards.
Maybe it’s “lads”? As even sven has explained plenty, “lads” are certainly discriminated against, and for good reason. Woe betide the hotel who doesn’t keep the lads out! But is that it? I dunno…
I’m going to guess people with disabilities (mostly those with mobility issues).
That’ll quickly get you in trouble with ADA. The disabled community is fairly vocal, I don’t think that’s it.
That’s a protected class; excluding disabled people on the basis of their disability is illegal.
If you try hard enough you may find an exception. Back when I was 23 I went to Dallas for a week to pound the pavement with resumes in hand. I needed a car and was turned down left and right. I found a small mom-and-pop rental agency near Love Field that didn’t care. They even let me use my mother’s credit card to pay for it. I’d give them a plug but their name is lost in the mists of time.
Too true. That’s not the group she was talking about.
**Jane **did PM me on this, and I can see why she’s uncomfortable discussing it. I’m keeping her exact response to myself out of board decorum, but let’s just say these are folks who almost anyone with a background in customer service or consumer protection has had run-ins with–but, as *Jane *says, people rarely talk about. Indeed, people without a certain background are probably unaware that this subgroup exists in any number in our society (though reality TV is changing that).